Re: Mark is first, give him his due translation.
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:43 am
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Venit Onesimus a villa = Onesimus comes from his farm (link).Martin Klatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:43 amDo you know how this was worded exactly, I mean in Greek or Latin?
Onesimus = Ὀνήσιμος = "useful, profitable," a common name for a slave.Onesimus, old donkey?
I said that Onesimus was a common name for a slave because the inscriptions and the papyri mention many slaves named Onesimus. What evidence would you produce for Onesimus being a common name for a donkey? (Not a rhetorical question; I am asking because I do not know.)Martin Klatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:07 amOr a donkey. A beast of burden is very useful, right?Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:01 amVenit Onesimus a villa = Onesimus comes from his farm (link).Martin Klatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:43 amDo you know how this was worded exactly, I mean in Greek or Latin?
Onesimus = Ὀνήσιμος = "useful, profitable," a common name for a slave.Onesimus, old donkey?
No, I actually did not realize that ὄνειος could be the adjective corresponding to ὄνος, thus potentially connecting Ὀνήσιμος to ὄνος. Thank you for that.Martin Klatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:54 amI don't know if you are being serious or just playing the obstinate subject of our skirmish.Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:47 amI said that Onesimus was a common name for a slave because the inscriptions and the papyri mention many slaves named Onesimus. What evidence would you produce for Onesimus being a common name for a donkey? (Not a rhetorical question; I am asking because I do not know.)Martin Klatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:07 amOr a donkey. A beast of burden is very useful, right?Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:01 amVenit Onesimus a villa = Onesimus comes from his farm (link).Martin Klatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:43 amDo you know how this was worded exactly, I mean in Greek or Latin?
Onesimus = Ὀνήσιμος = "useful, profitable," a common name for a slave.Onesimus, old donkey?
You don't have to be a genius to realize both translations are connected in Greek language, look up ὄνειος in LSJ and find it confirmed.