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Martin Klatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:43 amDo you know how this was worded exactly, I mean in Greek or Latin?

Venit Onesimus a villa = Onesimus comes from his farm (link).

Onesimus, old donkey?

Onesimus = Ὀνήσιμος = "useful, profitable," a common name for a slave.

Martin Klatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:07 am

Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:01 am

Martin Klatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:43 amDo you know how this was worded exactly, I mean in Greek or Latin?

Venit Onesimus a villa = Onesimus comes from his farm (link).

Onesimus, old donkey?

Onesimus = Ὀνήσιμος = "useful, profitable," a common name for a slave.

Or a donkey. A beast of burden is very useful, right?

I said that Onesimus was a common name for a slave because the inscriptions and the papyri mention many slaves named Onesimus. What evidence would you produce for Onesimus being a common name for a donkey? (Not a rhetorical question; I am asking because I do not know.)

Martin Klatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:54 am

Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:47 am

Martin Klatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:07 am

Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:01 am

Martin Klatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:43 amDo you know how this was worded exactly, I mean in Greek or Latin?

Venit Onesimus a villa = Onesimus comes from his farm (link).

Onesimus, old donkey?

Onesimus = Ὀνήσιμος = "useful, profitable," a common name for a slave.

Or a donkey. A beast of burden is very useful, right?

I said that Onesimus was a common name for a slave because the inscriptions and the papyri mention many slaves named Onesimus. What evidence would you produce for Onesimus being a common name for a donkey? (Not a rhetorical question; I am asking because I do not know.)

I don't know if you are being serious or just playing the obstinate subject of our skirmish.

You don't have to be a genius to realize both translations are connected in Greek language, look up ὄνειος in LSJ and find it confirmed.

No, I actually did not realize that ὄνειος could be the adjective corresponding to ὄνος, thus potentially connecting Ὀνήσιμος to ὄνος. Thank you for that.

Let us also not forget Philemon:

[10] I appeal to you for my child, Ones'imus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment.
[11] (Formerly he was useless to you, but now he is indeed useful to you and to me.)
[12] I am sending him back to you, sending my very heart.
[13] I would have been glad to keep him with me, in order that he might serve me on your behalf during my imprisonment for the gospel;

Anyone want to read between the lines in regards to what this is really all about?

Understood. No prob.