How "Synagogues" judaize a mythicist Logion

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Re: How "Synagogues" judaize a mythicist Logion

Post by Giuseppe » Fri May 22, 2020 10:31 am

When the Risen Jesus shows his wounds, it is not to prove that he is risen, but to prove that the following two claims are not mutually exclusive:
  • He is the Jewish Christ;
  • He is crucified.
The point is that Paul also shared a similar interest:

...but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles

(1 Corinthians 1:23)

Hence, the great obstacle who prevented the Jews from accepting Jesus as the Christ was his crucifixion.

An earthly crucifixion could make it more easy, for them, to accept the idea that Jesus was the Jewish Christ: afterall, the Jewish Christ had to be a mortal.

A recent life in the earth could make it more easy, for them, to accept the idea that Jesus was the Jewish Christ: afterall, the Jewish Christ was expected to life "in the last times".

But Paul didn't show a mortal Jesus lived recently on earth, even if, by mentioning a mortal Jesus lived recently on earth, he could make it more easy for the Jews accept the idea that Jesus was the Jewish Christ.

Hence this is one of the best proofs that Paul placed still his Jesus in outer space.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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Re: How "Synagogues" judaize a mythicist Logion

Post by Giuseppe » Fri May 22, 2020 12:05 pm


And in one place, Moses writes, "He [=YHWH] made the devil a serpent for those whom he has in his generation"

http://gnosis.org/naghamm/testruth.html

Why did the Gnostics call the Serpent "Joshua"?

I see the following similarities between the OT Joshua and the Serpent:
  • Both were exalted by Moses as superior compared to Moses:
    • Joshua was designed by Moses as his successor;
    • Numbers 21:9
      So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.

  • Both entered in a special place related to the Creator:
    • The Serpent (considered as a saviour sent from the Good God) entered first (from out) in the Eden of the Creator
    • The OT Joshua (considered as a patriarch sent by YHWH) entered first (from out) in the Promised Land
  • Both gave a fruit to eat from a tree of property of another:
    • The Serpent gave the apple to eat from the tree of property of the creator;
    • Joshua gave a lot to eat (Joshua 24:13):
      And I have given you a land for which ye did not labour, and cities which ye built not, and ye dwell in them; of the vineyards and oliveyards which ye planted not do ye eat.

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Re: How "Synagogues" judaize a mythicist Logion

Post by Giuseppe » Mon May 25, 2020 6:08 am

The demonic Archons of 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 are euhemerized in the Gospels as Pharisees, more than as Romans.

If Jesus expels little demons only from Galileans, then this means that in Judea, and particularly among sinedrites, the powerful Archons work still behind the sinedrites. They are inside them. Jesus never exorcizes them.

Why this particular choice by the evangelists? Because the Pharisees were already known to be enemies of the Gnostics.

When Jesus was described in the Gospels as the Jewish Christ, then this invented Jesus called Christ inherited the same enemies of the Gnostic "Jesus Son of Father" ("Bar-Abbas").

It is curious that the little demons possessing the Galileans are able to recognize Jesus but they are unable to kill him, whereas the Archons possessing the sinedrites are unable to recognize Jesus but they are totally able to kill him.

The reason is that the little demons possessing the Galileans are designed to represent the demons possessing the gentile Gnostics: the only people who were able (in the real past), but only in virtue of the demons possessing them (in the fiction), to recognize the real origin of the Gnostic "Jesus Son of Father" ("Bar-Abbas").
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Re: How "Synagogues" judaize a mythicist Logion

Post by Giuseppe » Mon May 25, 2020 7:17 am

THe following Mark's passage, removed from various Judaizing interpolations, is directly derived from the Naassene hymn:

In those days,
as there was a great crowd,
without anything to eat,
he called the disciples
and said to them:

"I have compassion for the crowd
because they have nothing to eat,
and if I send them away fasting,
they will faint on the way".

His disciples replied:
"How can they be satisfied?"

He asked them: "How many loaves do you have?"

they said: "Seven".

He took the seven loaves,
and after saying the thanksgiving,
he broke them,
and gave them to his disciples to distribute
and they distributed them to the crowd.
They ate and were satisfied,
and he sent them away.

Same universal, intemporal and unlocalized prose of the Naassene Hymn. The hero here is Jesus Son of Father ("Bar-Abbas"), still not "Jesus called Christ".

The "seven loaves" served as Gnostic magical passwords to go beyond the 7 Archontic Gate-keepers. Directly to pleroma.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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