Quest of the mythical Jesus available online

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Quest of the mythical Jesus available online

Post by Giuseppe » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:19 pm

https://www.academia.edu/43141837/THE_Q ... he_Present

Interesting.

I know now this blog of a Jesus Agnostic:

https://dmspence.com
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Re: Quest of the mythical Jesus available online

Post by Chris Hansen » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:48 pm

Hi there! Thanks for sharing this!

I'm sure there is a lot in there you may find interesting. For instance, Albert Einstein wrote the foreword to a mythicist book by Homer W. Smith. Honestly, the most interesting bit for me in researching for this book was seeing the development (and then collapse) of mythicism in the USSR (via Arthur Drews' work).

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Re: Quest of the mythical Jesus available online

Post by Giuseppe » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:30 pm

Hi Chris,

I find a lot of interesting references to obscure mythicists I didn't know before.

Possibly the only fault of the book is the absence of any mention of the French mythicist Jean Magne (according to which Jesus is the Serpent historicized).
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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Re: Quest of the mythical Jesus available online

Post by Chris Hansen » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:10 pm

Could you provide me a reference to Jean Magne's work? I will definitely discuss it if you can send me anything.

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Re: Quest of the mythical Jesus available online

Post by Giuseppe » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:41 pm

Chris Hansen wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:10 pm
Could you provide me a reference to Jean Magne's work? I will definitely discuss it if you can send me anything.
About Jean Magne:

https://vridar.org/2018/10/01/enticed-b ... mythicist/

http://www.egodeath.com/JeanMagne-Logiq ... aments.htm

Note that Jacob Neusner wrote positively about his book.

In addition, I see that in your book another great French mythicist, Robert Stahl, is missing, also. He is author of The Document 70, unfortunately not more in circulation, where he argues fully for priority of proto-John.

https://www.persee.fr/doc/rhpr_0035-240 ... 286_0000_4

Stahl is famous also for this important article about Barabbas, found by me (and by Jean Magne, too) highly persuasive, a real milestone in the interpretation of the Barabbas episode:

https://vridar.org/wp-content/uploads/2 ... r_engl.pdf

And for this book where he also argues for a mythical Jesus:

http://www.mythicistpapers.com/2012/10/ ... s-r-stahl/

I think that, by adding references to them in your book, it becomes really the best book about the past mythicists.
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Re: Quest of the mythical Jesus available online

Post by Chris Hansen » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:03 pm

Thanks, I will make sure to add all of this to my work once I read through it. Thank you for bringing my attention to it!

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Post by Chris Hansen » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:45 pm

So I can't figure out if Stahl was a mythicist or not. Rene Salm says that he wasn't. Stahl seems to think that Jesus was a composite of historical figures.

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Re: Quest of the mythical Jesus available online

Post by Giuseppe » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:55 pm

Chris Hansen wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:45 pm
So I can't figure out if Stahl was a mythicist or not. Rene Salm says that he wasn't. Stahl seems to think that Jesus was a composite of historical figures.
René Salm has read only few photocopies of his book, for his same admission, but I have his entire book on the Mandeans, and he says expressly how Jesus was invented when he talks about the Christian origins. So he is a mythicist.

Stahl has translated in French the Drews's Christ Myth.
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Re: Quest of the mythical Jesus available online

Post by Chris Hansen » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:03 am

Thanks for that! I will see if I can obtain a copy of Stahl's book and give it a read in the next month or so. If you would like a credit in the book for your help bringing my attention to these, I'd be more than happy to credit you!

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Re: Quest of the mythical Jesus available online

Post by Giuseppe » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:09 am

Chris Hansen wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:03 am
Thanks for that! I will see if I can obtain a copy of Stahl's book and give it a read in the next month or so. If you would like a credit in the book for your help bringing my attention to these, I'd be more than happy to credit you!
no problem for that, thanks. :D I'm not looking for notoriety, although I'd be flattered by the presence of my name in the book :D
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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