not for Paul (1 Cor 15:50).Chris Hansen wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:19 amThat is completely distinct from a Christian conception of resurrection: bodily.
ok but for me the dying and rising theme being hellenistic is not parallelomania.Regardless, even if I granted the dying-rising god, it is irrelevant to Jesus' historicity because parallels cannot determine history. It is epistemic fallaciousness.
paradigm is to fix in minimal terms the reconstruction of Origins, removing any possible suggestions even if interesting. You are correct that the first authors to recover that paradigm were Smith, Couchoud, Drews, Alfaric. But to my knowledge, Carrier has really put any his effort to describe the paradigm per se, removing any ballast (even if, I repeat, the ballast removed by him is not really ballast but serious possibilities worthy of further inquiry). Also Couchoud was very close to fix the paradigm as and better than Carrier, but Couchoud had Marcion as first euhemerizer and not "Mark" (author) as Carrier thinks. Hence, in terms of who has to be considered the best author to fix explicitly the minimal paradigm, there is no doubt about his identity: he is Richard Carrier.Chris Hansen wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:19 am Also, I'm not sure how you are using the term paradigm here. Could you define it as you are using it here?
I have mentioned the Stahl's article on Barabbas as not mentioned by Price as an example of the fact that Price is not so perfect even in his preferred methodology (resumed as: consider any possibility and follow where it leads). By the finding of that article, Jean Magne has been able to give a serious radical new interpretation of the texts.Chris Hansen wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:19 am In fairness, that article by Couchoud/Stahl is not particularly well known at all, and I'm sure he'd adopt more of that if given the chance. Also, why hold that against Price? Carrier doesn't know 99% of the history of mythicism.
And Carrier doesn't even know that Jean Magne exists either. All of your criticisms there apply to Carrier. Carrier doesn't know the first thing about past mythicist theories except for Price, Doherty, Murdock, and Zindler.
But then again: as to erudition, Carrier is obviously not the first, but he has fixed the paradigm more than any other.