Paul as the Abortion?

[Solo]

Lots of interesting things about Paul.

One is his admission that he was trained in the Second Temple to be a priest, and one of his teachers was Gamaliel. Another was that he was a ring-leader in the early persecution of the Nazarenes, and had a hand- maybe even threw a stone-at Stephen the Martyr.

Assuming a late crucifixion (that Hagan and others use), that would mean that Jesus was crucified during the Passover of A.D. 36, and the stoning of Stephen some months afterwards at the urging of the High Priest Jonathan.

The question then becomes why didn't Paul know about Jesus a few months previously during the Passover of A.D. 36, at which Jesus was crucified and Caiaphas was later removed by Vitellius?

Did Paul (Saul of Tarsus) play a role in Jesus' death that was so heinous that he never referred to it in any of his writings, or admitted it to his traveling companion or fellow church-men?

That could go a long way in explaining Paul's motivation.

Paul never claimed to be a pupil of Gamaliel. The simplest explanation of the ektromati (1 Cor 15:8) in a passage which is hostile to Paul's claim to primacy in his own congregation is that it is an idiotic attempt to dispose of Paul's claim that he was selected for his apostolic career by God "from his mother's womb" (Gal 1:15).

Best,
Jiri

[steve43]

Acts 22:3King James Version (KJV)

3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.

[steve43]

Josephus was born in A.D. 37, Ghost.

Not Paul.

You need some basics here.

Go to Kindle and look over the freebie Kindle pages of Hagan's "Year of the Passover" and "Fires of Rome."

Secular history about those times from the best sources with liberal excerpts from Josephus and no religious overtones.

Time and money well spent if this is an area of interest for you.

[beowulf]

Miscarriage is a more accurate translation than abortion: And last of all, just as if to a miscarriage he appeared also to me.


Paul is saying in 1 Cor 15.8 that he was as one of the dead in Luke 9.60: that is what he learned from Jesus ' on the road to Damascus' .

Luke 9.60 let the dead bury the dead
But Jesus* ( he) said to him, ‘Let the dead bury their own dead; but as for you, go and proclaim the kingdom of God.

[Solo]

Acts 22:3King James Version (KJV)

3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.

The Acts of the Apostles was not written by Paul. Paul's letters do not support claims made in the the Acts that
1) he was born in Tarsus and brought up in Jerusalem,
2) he was taught by Gamaliel,
3) he was a Roman citizen,
4) his original name was Saul,
5) he was active in Jerusalem, Judea or elsewhere on behalf of the Sanhendrin,
6) he was 'converted' by an encounter with the risen Lord on the road to Damascus.

Best,
Jiri

[ghost]

Not Paul.

When was Paul born?

[Blood]

I see these verses as supporting evidence that 1 Corinthians and Galatians are authentic letters from Paul. Paul, or another author, writing to a general audience would not likely refer to Paul as “the ektroma”, a reference that would be baffling to a wider audience. But Paul wasn't writing to a general audience, he was writing to his congregation in Corinth.

There are no "authentic" Pauline letters. They were not addressed to a "general audience." They were specifically written as scripture from a Hebrew prophet. They were intended to mimic the parts of the LXX that the gospels didn't to a great degree, e.g. Deuteronomy, Jeremiah.

It's all part of the same mythology.

[steve43]

Acts 22:3King James Version (KJV)

3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.

The Acts of the Apostles was not written by Paul. Paul's letters do not support claims made in the the Acts that
1) he was born in Tarsus and brought up in Jerusalem,
2) he was taught by Gamaliel,
3) he was a Roman citizen,
4) his original name was Saul,
5) he was active in Jerusalem, Judea or elsewhere on behalf of the Sanhendrin,
6) he was 'converted' by an encounter with the risen Lord on the road to Damascus.

Best,
Jiri

If you are going to discount Acts completely, what's the point of anything?

Gimme a break.

yours truly

Steve

[steve43]

Not Paul.

When was Paul born?

No one knows for sure.

But if we assume he was 19-20 when the High Priest Jonathan set him off against the Christians in A.D. 37 (using a late crucifixion date), Saul (Paul) would have been born around A.D. 17-18. When he died, presumably in A.D. 64, he would have been 46-47 years of age.

Interestingly, Hagan concludes that Jesus was crucified when he was 47 years of age, in A.D. 36.