Jesus from Outer Space

[Bernard Muller]

to Giuseppe,

The dominant use of οὐδέ in Paul, according to an objective statistics, is to specify meaning. Hence Paul in 1 Cor 2:7 et seq. is going to point out that a specific wisdom didn't include his hidden wisdom: the archontic wisdom. Therefore, as effect of the specification, the latter is opposed to the human "wisdom of this age".

I don't know from where you got these objective statistics. Furthermore, even if dominant, that does not mean the meaning is the valid one for 1 Co 2:6.
Your so-called archontic wisdom and the wisdom of this age do not include God's hidden wisdom. That does not make your so-called archontic wisdom and the wisdom of this age different from each other.
Enough about οὐδέ. The topic has already been exhausted by our past debate and the input of Ben.

Bernard Muller wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:55 pm
What about chief priests being included in the archontes of 1 Co 2:6&8.
I cannot used Paul to make my point here.

so you appeal to late Gospel apologetics to make your point. Well to know.

Well, this gospel apologetics is mine, not from others, and well explained, if you read my webpage on the disturbance in the temple, showing that "Mark" played down that disturbance by making it of no consequence, which is really impossible for me to swallow. So why "Mark" would mention that disturbance? because that was heard from trusted disciple(s) and "Mark" felt obligated to mention it in order to bring some credibility to his gospel.
Same tactics for "king of the Jews", which is rather disturbing for the intended Gentile audience of his gospel. See http://historical-jesus.info/29.html

Cordially, Bernard

[Giuseppe]

Same tactics for "king of the Jews", which is rather disturbing for the intended Gentile audience of his gospel. See http://historical-jesus.info/29.html

The entire 'king of Jews' affair (titulus and appellative used by Pilate to call Jesus) is anti-gnostic. Pilate "say so", according to Jesus himself!, and immediately after Pilate crucifies Jesus. Hence Pilate is divinely inspired, he is a prophet, and alas!, his prophecy is realized: the Christ, the king of Jews, has to suffer on the cross.

The midrashical source of all this explains definitively to me the origin of the entire Gospel narrative.

Since I know in advance your ancestral opposition to mythicism, please abandon now the polemical tone and don't write only to say that you disagree with me, thank you.

[Bernard Muller]

to Giuseppe,

The entire 'king of Jews' affair (titulus and appellative used by Pilate to call Jesus) is anti-gnostic. Pilate "say so", according to Jesus himself!, and immediately after Pilate crucifies Jesus. Hence Pilate is divinely inspired, he is a prophet, and alas!, his prophecy is realized: the Christ, the king of Jews, has to suffer on the cross.

I always thought this dialogue and many other things pertaining to the trials (which never occurred) and the crucifixion were all made up, as most of Mark's gospel.
Of course I have a webpage about that: http://historical-jesus.info/28.html: How did "Mark" handle the known "humble" Jesus testimony conflicting with the later preaching as a divine entity?
About what I retained from the gospels (& Josephus' works): very little as spelled out here: http://historical-jesus.info/digest.html: Historical Jesus, in a few words

The midrashical source of all this explains definitively to me the origin of the entire Gospel narrative.

According to my dating of gMark (70-71 AD) (see here how I determined that: http://historical-jesus.info/appd.html), gMark is much earlier than the Midrash (2nd century AD).

Since I know in advance your ancestral opposition to mythicism, please abandon now the polemical tone and don't write only to say that you disagree with me, thank you.

I am free to refute you at any time, on any topic. And I don't care if you call that polemical. And I don't write to you only to say I disagree, but also to counteract your arguments and present my opposing viewpoint based on solid research.

Cordially, Bernard