Isn't he the "son of Mary", a code-word for Mandeans?

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Re: Isn't he the "son of Mary", a code-word for Mandeans?

Post by davidmartin » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:35 am

Miriai in the Mandean scrips kicks ass, she ain't no surrogate for John, she is HERSELF :)

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Re: Isn't he the "son of Mary", a code-word for Mandeans?

Post by Giuseppe » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:18 am

Lindzbarski says the contrary, sorry.
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Re: Isn't he the "son of Mary", a code-word for Mandeans?

Post by Giuseppe » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:42 am

In Mandean scriptures, Miriai is drawn to Mandaism and this is understood to involve the forsaking of Judaism.

Hence "son of Mary" is equivalent to be an accusation of heresy: Jesus was connected with who hated YHWH.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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Re: Isn't he the "son of Mary", a code-word for Mandeans?

Post by davidmartin » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:16 am

Lindzbarski, what's that - an east european brand of yogurt?

Mandeasm existed before Miryai - How does anyone be sure of that?
Maybe she was the founder of it and set the whole thing up
I never saw anywhere it's hating YHWH in their stuff
But I did see dislike of the priesthood but that's not the same as hating YHWH
No, her anger seems directed to the priests - calling for horse shit to rain down on their heads, totally covering them in a steaming pile of horse shit

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Re: Isn't he the "son of Mary", a code-word for Mandeans?

Post by Giuseppe » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:03 am

it is a fact that the Mandeans hated (and hate) YHWH the creator.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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Re: Isn't he the "son of Mary", a code-word for Mandeans?

Post by davidmartin » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:14 am

that's hard to know Giuseppe, unless you're gonna trek all the way to Iraq and live among them i don't see how anyone knows
we live in ignorance of the Mandeans

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Re: Isn't he the "son of Mary", a code-word for Mandeans?

Post by Giuseppe » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:18 am


...the anti-Christian polemic in Mandaean myth arose from the view that Jesus was a false messenger who worked by the lordship of the aeonic demiurge, Yahweh

https://books.google.it/books?id=df1Tz5 ... ge&f=false
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Re: Isn't he the "son of Mary", a code-word for Mandeans?

Post by Secret Alias » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:51 am

Lindzbarski says the contrary, sorry.
Your debate with another board member has almost allowed you to change the subject. Your citation of Lindzbarski DOES NOT support your interpretation. What he says in French is:

1. Miriai MIGHT come from Mary (Maria est peut-être le même nom que Miriaï
2. Miriai is used by the Mandaeans to designate/denote the sect of John the Baptist (par lequel les Mandéens désignent la secte de Jean-Baptiste)

(1) is only a maybe = 'peut-etre'. (2) is determined to be a certainty. But even with that you can't go from that to what you propose. Bye.
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Re: Isn't he the "son of Mary", a code-word for Mandeans?

Post by davidmartin » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:27 am

Giuseppe wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:18 am

...the anti-Christian polemic in Mandaean myth arose from the view that Jesus was a false messenger who worked by the lordship of the aeonic demiurge, Yahweh

https://books.google.it/books?id=df1Tz5 ... ge&f=false
situation not so simple
i not read any Mandean writing that calls out YHWH only Jesus and a spirit called Ruha. Ruha i've seen mentioned but not YHWH
i think something complicated was going on i don't know what. maybe no-one does

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Re: Isn't he the "son of Mary", a code-word for Mandeans?

Post by Giuseppe » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:23 am

Secret Alias wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:51 am
Lindzbarski says the contrary, sorry.
Your debate with another board member has almost allowed you to change the subject. Your citation of Lindzbarski DOES NOT support your interpretation. What he says in French is:

1. Miriai MIGHT come from Mary (Maria est peut-être le même nom que Miriaï
2. Miriai is used by the Mandaeans to designate/denote the sect of John the Baptist (par lequel les Mandéens désignent la secte de Jean-Baptiste)

(1) is only a maybe = 'peut-etre'. (2) is determined to be a certainty. But even with that you can't go from that to what you propose. Bye.
I would add:

3. Usually in the NT the women are allegories of Sects. For example, the Syro-Phoenician woman allegorizes the Pagan World, just as the Woman in the house of Simon the Leper. Or Martha allegorizes the Jewish World.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.

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