Re: Nasaraeans, Mandaeans, Enochic Judaism, & Christianity.
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:45 am
The word the text is using for truth is actually a Coptic loanword from Greek, ἀλήθεια. You can see it on lines 14 (penultimate word) and 15 (antepenultimate word) of the image that Martin supplied, with a T in front of it (as the direct article, I believe).davidmartin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:16 am Line 8: IES P-NAZORAIOS MESSIAS
Line 9: IES P-NAZORAIOS
Line 11: NAZARENOS MESSIAS
Line 14: NAZARA (...) P-NA
Line 15: ZARENOS
Line 16: P-NAZARENOS IS
Is this really saying 'truth'?
isn't the Coptic for truth ME where is that?
Oh, I think that wisdom speculation was definitely in the mix. I have a thread from four years ago laying out many of the texts which speak to the descent and ascent of wisdom.I was reading the Wisdom of Solomon, the description of wisdom in here is very similar to the prologue of John isn't it? Except wisdom has become Jesus
Could it be that wisdom speculation was the source, explaining the comparison of Jesus to wisdom in a few places
That highlighted bit depends, I think, at least partly on what level of comparison you mean. If you mean only the purely sectarian literature at Qumran, then there are still rather many comparisons to be made, but admittedly not nearly as many as if you include the literature from Enochic Judaism at large. I think that the Qumran community was an offshoot of Enochic Judaism; and Enochic Judaism was seemingly no stranger to wisdom speculation:Christianity emerged from a wisdom tradition independent of hellenism? sure, why not. the source materials are all there and agree far better than Qumran community comparisons do except for a Matthean/Ebionite redactive phase (the so called pillars) which wasn't original?
1 Enoch 5.8: 8 And then there shall be bestowed upon the elect wisdom, and they shall all live and never again sin, either through ungodliness or through pride: but they who are wise shall be humble.
1 Enoch 42.1-3:
1. Wisdom found no place where she might dwell;
Then a dwelling-place was assigned her in the heavens.
2 Wisdom went forth to make her dwelling among the children of men,
And found no dwelling place:
Wisdom returned to her place,
And took her seat among the angels.
3 And unrighteousness went forth from her chambers:
Whom she sought not she found,
And dwelt with them,
As rain in a desert
And dew on a thirsty land.
1 Enoch 91.10: 10 And the righteous shall arise from their sleep, and wisdom shall arise and be given unto them.
1 Enoch 42.1-3:
1. Wisdom found no place where she might dwell;
Then a dwelling-place was assigned her in the heavens.
2 Wisdom went forth to make her dwelling among the children of men,
And found no dwelling place:
Wisdom returned to her place,
And took her seat among the angels.
3 And unrighteousness went forth from her chambers:
Whom she sought not she found,
And dwelt with them,
As rain in a desert
And dew on a thirsty land.
1 Enoch 91.10: 10 And the righteous shall arise from their sleep, and wisdom shall arise and be given unto them.