List of Gospel clues of anti-Mandean polemic

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List of Gospel clues of anti-Mandean polemic

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This thread is in progress.

Sometimes I will add a piece of the evidence.

John 17:15
My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one

This is a polemic against the Mandean prayer of the Man-God addressed to his celestial Father, that the "my disciples ascend to the City of Light".
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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The Miracle of Cana is a polemic against the Mandean claim that the celestial Father answered to his Son:

How can the Cana of souls be abundant, when they are thrown in the tribulation ?

Cana means recipient: the earthly recipient where the corpses were buried. By extension: the receptacle of the souls.

By transforming the water in wine in the recipients, the anti-Mandean Jesus is able to do what the celestial Father of Mandeism (and his Son) was unable to do by his own admission.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Matthew 11:11
Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist.

This is a Christian polemic against the Mandean claim that John the Baptist was "born from above".

Therefore, this introduces a pattern: when one says that x is born by woman, then the reason is that he is polemizing against someone who denies that x is a mere mortal.

Hence, Gal 4:4 "born by woman, born under the Law" is an anti-marcionite interpolation and who disagrees with me on this point is a Christian apologist. Period.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Mark 3:28-29
Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”

This is a Christian polemic against the Mandean attack against the holy spirit, the Mandean way to free themselves from the Torah and the evil demiurge YHWH.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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Romans 10:6-7 :

But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).

...is an interpolation not found in the marcionite version.

The author of the interpolation doesn't like what the Gospels are doing: to describe Jesus as a celestial being descended on earth from heaven, and from Sheol ascend to earth again.

Essentially, that verse is 100% expected as polemic against the euhemerization of Jesus made by the gospels.

A reason to not like it, is that this is an imitation of what the Mandeans have made with John: they saw him as a celestial being descended on earth to reveal the gnosis to humanity.
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The Jesus' miracle of feeding the 4,000 was added in Mark because it was derived from a Mandean story where John worked the miracle of feeding the 4,000, and not Jesus.
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The twelve disciples of Ephesus in Acts were Mandeans since they adored John as a celestial revealer. According to Atcs, they ignore the baptism "with holy spirit" because they hate the holy spirit. Afterall, they are Mandeans!

A polemic "baptism of John versus baptism by holy spirit" is implicit there.

Presence of Mandeans in Ephesus is strong evidence against who argues that the Mandeans were evolution of the Gnostics escaped to east.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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The strongest evidence of Christian co-optation of John, and of the John of the Mandeans:
  • not merely his being reduced to a mere precursor of Jesus
  • not merely his being reduced to Elijah redivivus
  • not merely his being reduced to a mere prophet "born by woman"...
...but this:

In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar—when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea, Herod tetrarch of Galilee, his brother Philip tetrarch of Iturea and Traconitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene— during the high-priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John son of Zechariah in the wilderness.

(Luke 3:1-2)

Just the John of the Mandeans, the John who hated so explicitly the holy spirit of YHWH, is now imbued fully by the "word of YHWH": a cruel joke of destiny!

Note the anomaly of this passage of Luke 3:1-2: it's the same passage who figured originally as the incipit of the Evangelion of Marcion.

In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar Jesus Christ, Son of God, descended from heaven and appeared in Capernaum, village of Galilee...

This says us that in the eyes of the catholic editor ("Luke"), John shared with the marcionite Jesus Son of Father ("Bar-Abbas") an essential feature: their being both divine revealer from heaven.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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John himself was not the light; he was simply a witness to tell about the light.

(John 1.8)

This is a polemic against the Mandean cult of John the Baptist as the Great Revealer of the Light (=Gnosis).
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John baptizes with water, Jesus baptizes with holy spirit.

Note how the Gospels have eclipsed the fact that the mandean John hated the holy spirit.

They have wanted to say that John didn't practice the baptism with holy spirit, not even on Jesus himself, to eclipse the fact that John rejected the holy spirit, as spirit sent from the evil demiurge, YHWH.

Hence, if Marcion didn't have the baptism of Jesus by John in his gospel, the reason was that John was considered a priori a rival object of cult. A not-christian element who didn't recognize any spiritual inspiration behind any Christian, beyond if Gnostic (=hater of YHWH) or adorer of YHWH.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
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