Re: Why was Thomas not labelled as Q?
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:20 pm
to mlinssen,
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A lot of gMark is not in gThomas: out of the 114 logions, only 19 of them contain gMark material (Ref: http://sites.utoronto.ca/religion/synop ... a-synt.htm).
gThomas cannot be considered a basis for gMark.
gThomas has 26 logions with "Q" sayings (common to gMatthew ant gLuke, but not in gMark) (same reference). According to http://homes.chass.utoronto.ca/~kloppen/iqpqet.htm I counted around 110 Q packets of consecutive wordings.
gThomas cannot be considered a basis for Q.
I want to go back to "Matthew" and "Luke" working side-by-side in order to write their respective gospels (with copies of gThomas & gMark).
Why side-by-side? Do you explain that in your papers? In that case, give us where to find the explanation (or better, the whole text of the passage).
If not already explained in your papers, can you provide your explanation?
I seems to me you consider this "side-by-side" very critical and important in order to support your theory that gThomas came first and "Matthew" & "Luke" used it to make their gospels (beyond what they got from gMark).
I want to add: (according to your theory) "Matthew" or "Luke" had to generate a lot of Q material (by copying each other), well beyond what they found in gThomas.
Would it make sense, because this twosome (allegedly) created most of the Q material (by copying each other), that the rest of Q came from them and not from gThomas?
Similar remark for gMark: Would it make sense, because "Mark" (allegedly) made his gospel with little from gThomas, that this (alleged) gThomas material in gMark did not come from gThomas?
Cordially, Bernard
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In a nutshell, again: Thomas was the common source to Mark, Luke and Matthew.
Mark, creating his own story out of nowhere on top of only Thomas, tentatively copied a third of it, and made up the rest. He tried to make it legitimate by referring to scripture.
Luke and Matthew doubled what he copied from Mark, and went nuts with the rest.
A lot of gMark is not in gThomas: out of the 114 logions, only 19 of them contain gMark material (Ref: http://sites.utoronto.ca/religion/synop ... a-synt.htm).
gThomas cannot be considered a basis for gMark.
gThomas has 26 logions with "Q" sayings (common to gMatthew ant gLuke, but not in gMark) (same reference). According to http://homes.chass.utoronto.ca/~kloppen/iqpqet.htm I counted around 110 Q packets of consecutive wordings.
gThomas cannot be considered a basis for Q.
I want to go back to "Matthew" and "Luke" working side-by-side in order to write their respective gospels (with copies of gThomas & gMark).
Why side-by-side? Do you explain that in your papers? In that case, give us where to find the explanation (or better, the whole text of the passage).
If not already explained in your papers, can you provide your explanation?
I seems to me you consider this "side-by-side" very critical and important in order to support your theory that gThomas came first and "Matthew" & "Luke" used it to make their gospels (beyond what they got from gMark).
I want to add: (according to your theory) "Matthew" or "Luke" had to generate a lot of Q material (by copying each other), well beyond what they found in gThomas.
Would it make sense, because this twosome (allegedly) created most of the Q material (by copying each other), that the rest of Q came from them and not from gThomas?
Similar remark for gMark: Would it make sense, because "Mark" (allegedly) made his gospel with little from gThomas, that this (alleged) gThomas material in gMark did not come from gThomas?
Cordially, Bernard