Jesus' eyewitnesses never becoming Christians

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davidmartin
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Re: Jesus' eyewitnesses never becoming Christians

Post by davidmartin » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:52 am

mlinssen wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:04 am
davidmartin wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:18 am
True, if it there's no historical basis there (the mythologist view) any digging into these texts would only be of value to the myth making process and identifying external sources of inspiration (scriptural, pagan, whatever).
but the early writings of the NT sure sound like they are responding to an ongoing process of historical events, one doesn't need to be a biblical apologist to think so. the line between myth and accounts of historical events is blurry as hell
It doesn't have to be a direct witness, a generation or two later would still work
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That's not how the mind works; that's not how humans work - that's not how the world works. Myth can be as true as reality, and vice versa

We don't need reality, or Reality - all we need is to blieve that something is true, or True.
Remember Santa? It was real as long as you believed in it.
Remember the first crush you had on your first girl (or boy)? That Love was real, Real, REAL! You thought, perhaps even knew, that you would die if it would go unanswered for very long (or something)

I could go on for many pages, but all we need to presuppose about the whole Jesus-thang is that people believed (parts of) it to be true (enough).

Like a (not so) fun experiment?
Everyone who responds to me here takes me seriously - but what if I have played you all from the beginning, lied about everything, just debated along with you in order to keep you busy, at bay, fooled?

It would change everything, wouldn't it? But that would be awkward, as it couldn't change anything at all about reality, that which happened - all it changes is the perception in your mind about something that occurred as it occurred when it occurred, and now you're frantically trying to change your opinion on all of it.
Because we all live by Truth, and truth alone - reality never comes into play. So historicity of anything? It matters nowt (sic)
interesting reply there,
don't we all share the same reality though? that same old clodden earth

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Re: Jesus' eyewitnesses never becoming Christians

Post by mlinssen » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:54 pm

davidmartin wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:52 am
interesting reply there,
don't we all share the same reality though? that same old clodden earth
We most certainly do, but, like the proverbial elephant in the room, we all look at it differently

Plato in the cave. We only interact with the shadows of the images - those that reside in our heads. I never interact with you or even with what you say - I react to the impressions I make of what you write

Reality doesn't manifest, in that sense.
Well it does, but hardly anyone (no references there!) interacts with it in pure form. It's all rather banal Sunday afternoon philosophy really. So reality can actually change and we continue our lives as they were without even noticing

Hence the experiment. My intentions could have been different but as long as they don't affect your truth (I allegedly didn't tell you of my malign intentions which you assumed and perceived as benign), nothing changes for you.
Then I tell you, and as my actions are all in the past their reality can't change anymore, but the opinions on them in your head do

And that's all that matters. And why religion can exist in its countless forms, because each version is a cocreated world sustained by its followers. And hence, everyone can be right about his own version because its Truth is formed in unison, groupthink

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Re: Jesus' eyewitnesses never becoming Christians

Post by Charles Wilson » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:32 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1ab6uxg908&t=44s

"Sayin' it's so don't make it so..."

Investment Hint: Don't invest too much in "Dominion" or "Smartmatic". Just sayin'.

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