Solar eclipse under Pilate

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Giuseppe
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Solar eclipse under Pilate

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But, continues Celsus, what great deeds did Jesus perform as being a God? Did he put his enemies to shame, or bring to a ridiculous conclusion what was designed against him? Now to this question, although we are able to show the striking and miraculous character of the events which befell Him, yet from what other source can we furnish an answer than from the Gospel narratives, which state that there was an earthquake, and that the rocks were split asunder, and the tombs opened, and the veil of the temple rent in two from top to bottom, and that darkness prevailed in the day-time, the sun failing to give light? But if Celsus believe the Gospel accounts when he thinks that he can find in them matter of charge against the Christians, and refuse to believe them when they establish the divinity of Jesus, our answer to him is: Sir, either disbelieve all the Gospel narratives, and then no longer imagine that you can found charges upon them; or, in yielding your belief to their statements, look in admiration on the Logos of God, who became incarnate, and who desired to confer benefits upon the whole human race. And this feature evinces the nobility of the work of Jesus, that, down to the present time, those whom God wills are healed by His name. And with regard to the eclipse in the time of Tiberius Cæsar, in whose reign Jesus appears to have been crucified, and the great earthquakes which then took place, Phlegon too, I think, has written in the thirteenth or fourteenth book of his Chronicles.

(Origen, Contra Celsum 2:33)
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according to NASA the only decent eclipse in the region was 49AD at a guess it would be ~90% total from Alexandria to Lebanon and visible from Isreal at some lesser %. If there's some other eclipse maybe i missed it
https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEsearch/ ... l=00490520

interestingly this would match Josephus's description of the crucifixion of the sons of Judas of Galilee which he dates to the same year
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It gets called an ‘eclipse’ although there is no such thing as solar eclipse at full moon, which was the case when Jesus died. So, it would be better described as an extraordinary astronomical event on par with the nativity 'star' or Joshua’s long day.

The best known record outside of the gospels was Phlegon. He said an ‘eclipse’ (and earthquake) happened on the 4th year of the 202nd Olympiad and that equates to AD 33. There are other accounts alluding to the Romans knowing about it, but those records are second hand. Actually Phlegon's account is second hand too. So we are left with the choice of believing the gospel account or not believing at all. Origen's advice to Celsus seems good to me.
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i found another one in 29, this would have gone right through Syria
i don't know how far off the centre line these things are visible
https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEsearch/ ... l=00291124

hey Ged the gospels say something like an eclipse occurred anyone that's not seeing these accounts as literal can play around with dates and things a bit. when someone dies there's mourning periods right, plenty of time for the moon to come back and an eclipse hit that was felt to be significant
when people talk about Jesus they hardly ever will mention this astronomical stuff it's very obscure (!) and minor issue really for believer or non-believer alike :)
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Luke 23:45 (AV)
And the sun was darkened,
and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

Eclipse is a modern version corruption based on an ultra-minority reading.
One of many hard errors in the Westcott-Hort recension text.
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ok, have it your way Giuseppe will appear in 3....2....1.....
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Covered here back in 2018
viewtopic.php?p=85823&#p85823

And I plan to bring more information over to:

Pure Bible Forum
hard errors in the westcott-hort recension
Luke 23:45 - not an eclipse
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.ph ... ipse.1620/
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