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Aleph One wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:29 pmCan anyone say whether the Greek of the 2nd line from Chapter 47 implies the start of the existence of the gospel, or just the start of Paul's preaching of it to them, perhaps? I think this is it:

τι πρωτον υμιν εν αρχη του ευαγγελιου εγραψεν

Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:51 pm

Aleph One wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:29 pmCan anyone say whether the Greek of the 2nd line from Chapter 47 implies the start of the existence of the gospel, or just the start of Paul's preaching of it to them, perhaps? I think this is it:

τι πρωτον υμιν εν αρχη του ευαγγελιου εγραψεν

It literally says, "what he first wrote to you in the beginning of the gospel." Its exact meaning is controversial.

Ben C. Smith wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:51 pmIt literally says, "what he first wrote to you in the beginning of the gospel." Its exact meaning is controversial.

hakeem wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:35 pm 1st Clement is a very late writing ---later than Acts of the Apostles and even later than Irenaeus' "Against Heresies".

The martyrdom of Peter and Paul is found in 1st Clement but unknown in Acts of the Apostles and Irenaeus' "Against Heresies".

mlinssen wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:11 amBen, isn't https://archive.org/stream/BaillyDictio ... 2/mode/1up saying that this is a substantive?

Aleph One wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:29 pm
Can anyone say whether the Greek of the 2nd line from Chapter 47 implies the start of the existence of the gospel, or just the start of Paul's preaching of it to them, perhaps? I think this is it:
τι πρωτον υμιν εν αρχη του ευαγγελιου εγραψεν

It literally says, "what he first wrote to you in the beginning of the gospel." Its exact meaning is controversial.

Bernard Muller wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:48 pm

Aleph One wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:29 pm
Can anyone say whether the Greek of the 2nd line from Chapter 47 implies the start of the existence of the gospel, or just the start of Paul's preaching of it to them, perhaps? I think this is it:
τι πρωτον υμιν εν αρχη του ευαγγελιου εγραψεν

Ben wrote:

It literally says, "what he first wrote to you in the beginning of the gospel." Its exact meaning is controversial.

I think "Clement" was meaning by "in the beginning of the gospel": when he first preached to you (that would be in 50-52 for 2.5 years) because that time of preaching is connected with Apollos and Peter getting followers from Paul's converts soon after.
That cannot be the start of the existence of the gospel (in Corinth) because in 1 Thessalonians (1:7-8, 2:2, 3:1) and Acts (16:12-17:16), Paul already had preached his gospel in Philippi & Thessalonica before reaching Athens.

Cordially, Bernard