Evidence Christianity started as mythicist

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Ben C. Smith
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Re: Evidence Christianity started as mythicist

Post by Ben C. Smith » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:45 pm

davidmartin wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:05 pm
what's interesting about Jerome's piece is it clearly mirrors the gospel Jesus's story
Born in Galilee (but confusion over Judea), escapes when persecutors come with his parents (to Tarsus not Egypt) then goes to Jerusalem to study law (as per child Jesus at the temple)
Very perceptive.

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Re: Evidence Christianity started as mythicist

Post by Giuseppe » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:21 pm

Bernard Muller wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:02 am
Knowing what you consider evidence in your favor, I am not interested to learn your other pieces of evidence.
What about this:

'For we,' said I, 'have ascertained beyond doubt that God is much rather displeased with the sacrifices which you offer, the time of sacrifices having now passed away; and because ye will not acknowledge that the time for offering victims is now past, therefore the temple shall be destroyed, and the abomination of desolation shall stand in the holy place; and then the Gospel shall be preached to the Gentiles for a testimony against you, that your unbelief may be judged by their faith.

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/080401.htm

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Re: Evidence Christianity started as mythicist

Post by lsayre » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:51 am

Is it possible that rather than moving to Tarsus, Paul's family moved south to Taurus in Judea? It is right next to Jericho.

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Re: Evidence Christianity started as mythicist

Post by perseusomega9 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:39 am

Ben C. Smith wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:45 pm
davidmartin wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:05 pm
what's interesting about Jerome's piece is it clearly mirrors the gospel Jesus's story
Born in Galilee (but confusion over Judea), escapes when persecutors come with his parents (to Tarsus not Egypt) then goes to Jerusalem to study law (as per child Jesus at the temple)
Very perceptive.
I second Ben's remark.

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Re: Evidence Christianity started as mythicist

Post by Bernard Muller » Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:39 pm

to Giuseppe,
OK, this evidence (from the Recognitions of Clement) could be used by Paulg. However that evidence is coming from unknown author (unlikely to be Clement of Rome), dating unknown (end of 2nd century in my view), in a Christian "romance" text.
But my initial question to Paulg was:
Do you have evidence that Christianity, including Jewish Christianity, did NOT start before 70 AD?
On that, the Recognitions of Clement has Christian beliefs being preached well before the fall of Jerusalem.

Cordially, Bernard

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Re: Evidence Christianity started as mythicist

Post by andrewcriddle » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:53 am

Jerome's tradition may possibly be rooted in a 1st century BCE forced relocation of Paul's ancestors to Tarsus possibly in the time of Pompey.

Andrew Criddle

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