early church writers who accepted Revelation as pre-70 AD

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Steven Avery
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early church writers who accepted Revelation as pre-70 AD

Post by Steven Avery » Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:56 am

early church writers who accepted Revelation as pre-70 AD

Easiest read on the blog:

7. Patristic Evidence for the Early Date of Revelation
https://deanfurlong.com/irenaeus-domiti ... evelation/

Similar version here:

Academia.edu
Patristic Evidence for the Early Date of Revelation--Summary
https://www.academia.edu/42087177/7_Pat ... n--Summary
Taken from Chapter 7 from his book.

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Dean Furlong wrote: This chapter challenges the dominant view that the early Christians placed John’s exile late in Domitian’s reign, arguing instead that the earliest sources (Irenaeus, the Acts of John, Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria) held to the tradition of John’s Neronian banishment

It does not discuss sources which placed John’s exile in Claudius’s reign (e.g. Epiphanius, Muratorian Canon, Dionysius of Alexandria, Origen (?) Apringius), whichare discussed separately in Chapter 4

Eusebius’s construction of the Domitianic date was discussed in Chapter 6.

These are the writings discussed:

Irenaeus (c. 185)
The Anti-Marcionite Prologue to Luke (c. 190)
Tertullian
Clement of Alexandria (c. 200)
The Acts of John (c. 200)
Syriac Works
Tyconius of Carthage

Other Writings
Acts of John by Prochorus
Acts of John in Rome (a late work which is confused with the far earlier Acts of John by Gentry),
Andreas of Caesarea, and
Arethas of Caesarea
Dean Furlong wrote:Further Considerations
In other sections of this work, Furlong provides evidence for the early martyrdom of John the Apostle (see summary https://www.academia.edu/42245723/2_Evi ... he_Apostle), which he places in Jerusalem in the fifties, late in Claudius’ reign.

This is constructed from various sources, including the Gospels of Matthew and Mark, Papias, ancient martyrologies, Heracleon, the Acts of Andrew, Clement of Alexandria, Hippolytus of Rome, the Muratorian Canon, Origen, Chrysostom, Cyprian, Aphrahat of Nineveh, Gregory of Nyssa, and the Latin Incomplete Commentary on Matthew. However, in Furlong’s view, it was not the Apostle John but another eyewitness disciple named John that was associated with the writing of the Gospel and Revelation.

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Background from Dean Furlong:

The Identity of John the Evangelist: Revision and Reinterpretation in Early Christian Sources
Dean Furlong - Jan, 2020
https://www.amazon.com/Identity-John-Ev ... 1978709307

Dean Furlong
https://vu-nl.academia.edu/DeanFurlong
covered this question in a chapter of his book, and made the information available online.

Facebook - New Testament Studies Worldwide
The Identity of John the Evangelist: Revision and Reinterpretation in Early Christian Sources
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1519498 ... 774187689/

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My discussion points:

Facebook - Pure Bible Forum
Revelation (and the full NT) as pre-70 AD
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebib ... 7978102406

Revelation written before 70 AD - Dean Furlong gives ECW sources
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.ph ... rces.1623/

Note: I definitely hold to the pre-70 AD Revelation.
The other issues have their own dynamic :).

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Re: early church writers who accepted Revelation as pre-70 AD

Post by perseusomega9 » Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:38 am

Several John's are conflated in the NT and church tradition. Church fathers also say a lot of weird shit, much of which they have no way of verifying. HTH

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