'The Oldest Gospel and the Formation of the Canonical Gospels', Klinghardt

[MrMacSon]

Klinghardt's 2015 book in German, Das älteste Evangelium und die Entstehung der kanonischen Evangelien, Francke A. Verlag, is (it seems / I presume) now in English under the title above (published by Peeters) $$$

• https://www.peeters-leuven.be/detail.ph ... 41&lang=en

[Giuseppe]

It's fantastic!

[rgprice]

I haven't read the book, but I've read his 2017 article: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence

He has a lot of valid points of course, but I disagree with his ultimate conclusion that Marcion's Gospel was the first and everything descends from that. His model for the development of the Gospels has problems and glosses over some things.

Still, he's generally on the right track. I'm citing him in my new book. If you aren't aware, in Deciphering the Gospels I proposed that Matthew and Luke are both dependent on a longer version of the Gospel of Mark in which the Q material was introduced. The point being that the Q teachings were developed around Mark's Gospel. I got some grief for not following Goodacre instead of proposing a "lost Gospel", and started doubting the proposal myself after hearing from so many people that Goodacer's was the solution.

However, I think Klinghardt's basic proposal fits much better and that Marcion's Gospel is the "lost Gospel" I presumed must have existed. But while I agree that both Matthew and Luke are derived from Marcion's Gospel, its not in the way that Klinghardt claims. His model is overly simplistic.

But I'm not going to get into too much detail because I'm still working everything out and finalizing it in my book.

[MrMacSon]

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[MrMacSon]

Does anyone know why I cannot add two images to a post as attachments??

This has been a persistent problem: a message appears saying the image (of two attempted) which is added is no longer available ...

[Bernard Muller]

to rgprice,

Matthew and Luke are both dependent on a longer version of the Gospel of Mark in which the Q material was introduced.

How do you reconcile the above quote with the one below? It seems to me if one is right, the other has to be wrong.

I agree that both Matthew and Luke are derived from Marcion's Gospel

Cordially, Bernard

[MrMacSon]

This book is currently available as a hard-cover book at these libraries -

• Yale University Library, New Haven, CT 06520, United States
  
  University of Chicago Library, Chicago, IL 60637, United States
  
  Concordia Seminary Library, St. Louis, MO 63105, United States
  
  Southern Methodist University, Bridwell Library, Perkins School of Theology, Dallas, TX 75205, United States
  
  Flora Lamson Hewlett Library, Graduate Theological Union, Berkeley, CA 94709, United States
  
  Université de Montréal, Montréal, QC H3T 1J4, Canada
  
  The British Library, On Demand, Boston Spa, Wetherby, West Yorkshire, LS23 7BQ United Kingdom
  
  Pontificia Universita Gregoriana Roma, 00187 Italy
  
  https://www.worldcat.org/title/oldest-g ... ef_results

Available currently in e-book format here -

• OCLC WorldShare Management Services - Library, Dublin, OH 43017 United States
  
  West Virginia University at Parkersburg, Parkersburg, WV 26104 United States
  
  Every Nation Seminary, Brentwood, TN 37024 United States
  
  Universitätsbibliothek Marburg, Marburg, 35037 Germany
  
  American University of Nigeria, Nigeria
  
  https://www.worldcat.org/title/oldest-g ... ef_results

[Ben C. Smith]

Does anyone know why I cannot add two images to a post as attachments??

No idea, but it has been like that since a forum update a couple of years ago.

This has been a persistent problem: a message appears saying the image (of two attempted) which is added is no longer available ...

You just have to upload them one at a time, with a separate post for each image. Kind of a pain, but it is what it is.

[MrMacSon]

No idea, but it has been like that since a forum update a couple of years ago.
You just have to upload them one at a time, with a separate post for each image. Kind of a pain, but it is what it is.

Thanks Ben, I had wondered if that was the case