hakeem wrote:But you just previously stated that you "see the Pentecost event as a complete fiction" so I don't how you can use Acts as your main evidence. There were no Christians, no tongue-talking apostles and no persecutor called Saul or Paul since the Pentecost event is complete fiction.
You must have never read Acts of the Apostles or don't understand what it says.Bernard Muller wrote:What does Paul has to do with the Pentecost event?
If the disciples did not tarry in Jerusalem to get Power from a Ghost they would not have had the power to preach the Gospel. If the Gospel was not preached there would be no converts. If there were no converts then Saul/Paul would not need to persecute them.
You very well know that the existing fragments of Papias do not identify an apostle called Saul or Paul and do not claim an apostle Saul/Paul wrote any letter to Corinthians.
An apostle actually said a passage in 1 Corinthians? What did the resurrected Jesus say to Paul in 1 Corinthians 11.23-25?Bernard Muller wrote:So who would be "the apostle" who said a passage from 1 Corinthians?
Asking me about what an apostle actually said is like asking me about the actual sayings of the resurrected Jesus, the angel Gabriel or Satan.
Christian writers of antiquity contradict Tertullian's "Against Marcion" or do not acknowledge it.Bernard Muller wrote:And what do you get from Marcion, who before Celsus, in the Apostolikon, put Paul, and his epistles, front and center?
1. The contemporary of Marcion, Justin Martyr, mentioned nothing about an Apostolikon by Marcion.
2. Irenaeus, writing after Justin, did not mention an Apostolikon by Marcion.
2. The supposed contemporary of Tertullian, Hippolytus, mentioned nothing about an Apostolikon but claimed Marcion used the writings of Empedocles.
3. Origen, a contemporary of Tertullian and Hippolytus, also did not mention an Apostolikon by Marcion.
4. Eusebius in Church History, although writing about those who wrote against Marcion, did not mention Tertullian's "Against Marcion" or an Apostolikon.
5. Ephraem the Syrian wrote three books against Marcion and the extant fragments do not mention an Apostolikon by Marcion.
6. Jerome, in De Viris Illustribus, makes mention of Tertullian but again nothing of an Apostolikon by Marcion.
Based on my research, the copy of "Against Marcion" attributed to Tertullian presently in circulation appears to be a forgery and full of mistakes.