Hi DavidDCHindley wrote:Andrew,andrewcriddle wrote:The issue here is whether the odd chronology is a (presumably accurate) account of the unusual views of the Nazoreans, or an account of Epiphanius' own views (garbled in transmission).
Reading through section 29 "Against Nazoraeans," the section you refer to seems to be setting up E's later argument that the Nazoraeans were just another branch of Judeans, and not real Christians.
The passage (29.3.7 of Frank William's translation)
really only makes sense if considered a counter to any claim a Nazoraean, who adopt, he says, Jewish ways and differ in no way from them except accepting Christ as messiah, might make that emphasizes reliance on Judaic traditions like Law and circumcision, which 3,7 says were no longer the basis for royal succession. So Jesus the Jewish messiah based on his physical descent from David means nothing, but Jesus the Christ, a cross between royal and high priestly, born of the holy spirit through Mary, does.3,7 But with the transfer of the royal throne the rank of king passed, in Christ, from the physical house of David and Israel to the church. The throne is established in God’s holy church forever, and has both the kingly and the high-priestly rank ...
Yet after all this posturing, he admits that he really does not know whether they believe Jesus was messiah because he was physically descended from David, or as the product of the holy spirit through Mary.Epiphanius, Panarion, 29,4,6-7 wrote:since David’s seed, through Mary, is seated on the throne, < his throne endures > forever
and of his kingdom there shall be no end. He should now transfer the order of the former kingship; for indeed his kingdom is not earthly, as he said to Pontius Pilate in the Gospel, “My Kingdom is not of this world.” (7) For since Christ brings to fulfillment all the things (that have been said) in riddles, the preliminaries have reached a limit.
DCH29.7,6 wrote:As to Christ, I cannot say whether they too are misled by the wickedness of Cerinthus and Merinthus, and regard him as a mere man — or whether, as the truth is, they affirm that he was born of Mary by the Holy Spirit.
I broadly agree with your analysis.
re-Reading the whole passage myself, one really odd thing is the idea that Christians were at one time called Jessaeans and that apparently the name Therapeutae in Philo is a rendering of Jessaeans.
But on the central issus Epiphanius does, in the first section, seem to be presenting his own (maybe garbled) version of how Christ fulfils the Old Testament, rather than an account of weird ideas held only by the Nazoreans.
Andrew Criddle