Why the crucifixion in outer space preceded logically the earthly crucifixion

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Why the crucifixion in outer space preceded logically the earthly crucifixion

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Some FACTS:

  • one of the principal revelations of Dr. Detering in his article under discussion is that the Christian Gnostics of late antiquity viewed the Exodus as a spiritual ‘crossing over to the other side’—an inner transformation.

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  • the spiritual ‘crossing over to the other side’ implies, already in the act itself of crossing, the idea of a crucifixion. An allegory recognized by Clement.
  • what has to be crossed over works by definition as a Limit, a separation.
CONCLUSION:
Given the facts listed above, it is immensely more probable that the original crucifixion was placed in outer space, rather than on earth, since a celestial cross in outer space is 100% expected if the early Christians wanted to make originally the point that, by being 'crucified', Jesus "crossed over to the other side" of a celestial limit.
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The genial scholar who has made me able to connect all the dots above in order to reach that conclusion is Edwin Johnson:

The probable explanation of the theory of a crucified Jesus is the use of the sign upon the forehead at baptism and on other occasions, and this seems to have been derived from the religion of Mithras. Incredible as it seems at first sight to modern habits of thought that from such a hint a historic construction should have been raised, it will not so appear to those who have once familiarised themselves with the fictitious and baseless reasoning of these documents. The habit of the time, the only resource from the anguish of doubt, was on both sides Belief.

(Antiqua Mater: A Study of Christian Origins, p. 204, my bold)
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Giuseppe wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 9:37 am The genial scholar who has made me able to connect all the dots above in order to reach that conclusion is Edwin Johnson:

The probable explanation of the theory of a crucified Jesus is the use of the sign upon the forehead at baptism and on other occasions, and this seems to have been derived from the religion of Mithras. Incredible as it seems at first sight to modern habits of thought that from such a hint a historic construction should have been raised, it will not so appear to those who have once familiarised themselves with the fictitious and baseless reasoning of these documents. The habit of the time, the only resource from the anguish of doubt, was on both sides Belief.

(Antiqua Mater: A Study of Christian Origins, p. 204, my bold)
It is doubtful whether the sign of the cross was used in Mithraism. See Marked with the sign of the Cross

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The Emperor Julian writes regarding the sign of the cross in the following passage.

And yet, ye misguided men, though there is preserved among us that weapon which flew down from heaven, which mighty Zeus or father Ares sent down to give us a warrant, not in word but in deed, that he will forever hold his shield before our city, you have ceased to adore and reverence it, but you adore the wood of the cross and draw its likeness on your foreheads and engrave it on your housefronts.

Would not any man be justified in detesting the more intelligent among you, or pitying the more foolish, who, by following you, have sunk to such depths of ruin that they have abandoned the ever-living gods and have gone over to the corpse of the Jew. . .

Against the Galileans

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Mithraism doesn't matter, here.

Edwin Johnson could write those words only if he had realized the strict connection between baptism and crucifixion.

Just as Detering did.
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Giuseppe wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 9:25 am CONCLUSION:
Given the facts listed above, it is immensely more probable that the original crucifixion was placed in outer space, rather than on earth
Another source regarding the location of the crucifixion.
"It was then that he learned the wondrous lore of the Christians, by associating with their priests and scribes in Palestine. And—how else could it be?—in a trice he made them all look like children, for he was prophet, cult-leader, head of the synagogue, and everything, all by himself. He interpreted and explained some of their books and even composed many, and they revered him as a god, made use of him as a lawgiver, and set him down as a protector, next after that other, to be sure, whom they still worship, the man who was crucified in Palestine because he introduced this new cult into the world.
https://www.roger-pearse.com/tertullian ... grinus.htm

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