If Mark knows Paul but Paul knows nothing of Jesus' life...
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:53 pm
Hello everyone --
I do not know if there is a Thread on this Site that has discussed this - there are probably many - but in reading Turton's Blog on Mark ( http://www.michaelturton.com/Mark/GMark_index.html ), I came across a section that has some serious implications:
http://www.michaelturton.com/Mark/GMark10.html#10X : "Did the Gospel of Mark know the Pauline Corpus?"
Recently, there was discussion concerning how much, if any, of "Jesus' Life" in the Gospels was referenced in the Paulines and the answer was, "Not Much". Turton's analysis brings up the question:
'If the Paulines have little knowledge of "Jesus' Life" but, for example, Markan Chiasms carry a suspicious use of Pauline language, one reasonable conclusion would be that the Gospels were constructed AFTER the Paulines and a fictitious character had a life built around the Salvific Sacrifice painted in the Paulines."
"Jesus" raises Jairus' Daughter and this and other specific miracles are not mentioned in the Paulines? A "Man with a Withered Hand" finds no mention?
If we look into the [datable] surviving Jewish Literature and we find Priestly Settlements and other language describing day-to-day living, yet find no mention of a city of "Tiberius" might we conclude that Tiberius was founded AFTER this Jewish Literature was composed?
We have covered similar themes before ( viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2207&hilit=grafted+empty+tomb ). If the Empty Tomb Motif is manufactured and then grafted into the Gospels and the Empty Tomb is incorporated into the Markan Chiastic Structure, the Empty Tomb necessarily preceeds the Construction of Mark.
Therefore, the Paulines were separate and prior to Mark and we should conclude that the Gospels were constructed around the Paulines - which had no knowledge of a "Jesus".
CW
I do not know if there is a Thread on this Site that has discussed this - there are probably many - but in reading Turton's Blog on Mark ( http://www.michaelturton.com/Mark/GMark_index.html ), I came across a section that has some serious implications:
http://www.michaelturton.com/Mark/GMark10.html#10X : "Did the Gospel of Mark know the Pauline Corpus?"
Recently, there was discussion concerning how much, if any, of "Jesus' Life" in the Gospels was referenced in the Paulines and the answer was, "Not Much". Turton's analysis brings up the question:
'If the Paulines have little knowledge of "Jesus' Life" but, for example, Markan Chiasms carry a suspicious use of Pauline language, one reasonable conclusion would be that the Gospels were constructed AFTER the Paulines and a fictitious character had a life built around the Salvific Sacrifice painted in the Paulines."
"Jesus" raises Jairus' Daughter and this and other specific miracles are not mentioned in the Paulines? A "Man with a Withered Hand" finds no mention?
If we look into the [datable] surviving Jewish Literature and we find Priestly Settlements and other language describing day-to-day living, yet find no mention of a city of "Tiberius" might we conclude that Tiberius was founded AFTER this Jewish Literature was composed?
We have covered similar themes before ( viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2207&hilit=grafted+empty+tomb ). If the Empty Tomb Motif is manufactured and then grafted into the Gospels and the Empty Tomb is incorporated into the Markan Chiastic Structure, the Empty Tomb necessarily preceeds the Construction of Mark.
Therefore, the Paulines were separate and prior to Mark and we should conclude that the Gospels were constructed around the Paulines - which had no knowledge of a "Jesus".
CW