Moses called Joachim ?

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Moses called Joachim ?

Post by andrewcriddle » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:06 am

There are various bits of Jewish Haggadah/Midrash scattered throughout the works of Clement of Alexandria. Mostly they have rabbinic parallels. However in Stromateis book I Clement says about Moses
Thereupon the queen gave the babe the name of Moses, with etymological propriety, from his being drawn out of the water, — for the Egyptians call water mou,— in which he had been exposed to die. For they call Moses one who who breathed [on being taken] from the water. It is clear that previously the parents gave a name to the child on his circumcision; and he was called Joachim. And he had a third name in heaven, after his ascension, as the mystics say— Melchi.
There are various parallels to Melchi or similar as a name for Moses. The idea that his parents had already named him before putting him in the bulrushes is very plausible but I can find no parallel for Joachim as a name for Moses.

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Re: Moses called Joachim ?

Post by Secret Alias » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:46 pm

= raised by (God)
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Re: Moses called Joachim ?

Post by Secret Alias » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:49 pm

It is at the core of Deuteronomy 18:18. "... I will raise up" one like Moses.
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Re: Moses called Joachim ?

Post by Secret Alias » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:03 pm

It's not from Jubilees.
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Re: Moses called Joachim ?

Post by Secret Alias » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:42 pm

The name Melchi is easier to explain - https://books.google.com/books?id=knLh2 ... nt&f=false
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Re: Moses called Joachim ?

Post by Secret Alias » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:46 pm

My guess is that it comes from the lost Assumption of Moses cited by Clement elsewhere - https://books.google.com/books?id=ya3xN ... es&f=false
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Re: Moses called Joachim ?

Post by andrewcriddle » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:46 am

Secret Alias wrote:
Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:49 pm
It is at the core of Deuteronomy 18:18. "... I will raise up" one like Moses.
I suspect you are on the right track, thanks. See History of the Bible

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