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theterminator
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There is atonement through repentance (II Samuel 12:13-14, Jonah 3:10, Lev. 26:40-42, Ezek. 18:21-32, 33:11-16), kindness (Prov. 16:6, Daniel 4:24), prayer (Hos. 14:2-3,I Kings 8:46-50, Daniel 9:19), removal of idolatry (Is. 27:9), punishment (Is. 40:1, Lam. 4:22), death (Is. 22:14), flour offerings (Lev. 5:11-13), money (Ex. 30:15), jewelry (Num. 31:50), and incense (Num. 17:11-12).
in judaism is there like a hierarchy for things which have greater atoning powers?
is the atoning power from blood more powerful than prayer for example?
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What is the relationship between catharsis and atonement?
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Have you been to Jesus for the cleansing pow’r?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Are you fully trusting in His grace this hour?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Refrain:
Are you washed in the blood,
In the soul-cleansing blood of the Lamb?
Are your garments spotless? Are they white as snow?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Are you walking daily by the Savior’s side?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Do you rest each moment in the Crucified?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
When the Bridegroom cometh will your robes be white?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Will your soul be ready for the mansions bright,
And be washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Lay aside the garments that are stained with sin,
And be washed in the blood of the Lamb;
There’s a fountain flowing for the soul unclean,
Oh, be washed in the blood of the Lamb!
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Sacred rites of this religion, always conducted in near darkness, also involved the initiation and ‘raising’ of members of this cult from one of the seven grades to the next. The grades included 'corax' (crow) and 'pater' (father). Initiates, as far as can be determined always male, met for a communal meal, and identified themselves by use of a secret handshake; they were known as 'syndexioi' - 'those identified by a handshake'. Carvings and statuary to the god were common (there is a Mithraic bas-relief on display in the Museum of Yorkshire in York, for example). Mithras is shown as being born from a rock, and is usually depicted along with two other entities, Cautes and Cautopates; these are torch bearers, one with his torch pointing downwards, one upwards. Mithras is often shown not just in battle with a bull, but accompanied by a dog, a snake, and a scorpion and a raven. Details of these sacred rites are limited, due to the secretive nature of this religion, although bathing in the blood of a newly-sacrificed bull is hinted at
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/0 ... ous-enigma#
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theterminator wrote:
There is atonement through repentance (II Samuel 12:13-14, Jonah 3:10, Lev. 26:40-42, Ezek. 18:21-32, 33:11-16), kindness (Prov. 16:6, Daniel 4:24), prayer (Hos. 14:2-3,I Kings 8:46-50, Daniel 9:19), removal of idolatry (Is. 27:9), punishment (Is. 40:1, Lam. 4:22), death (Is. 22:14), flour offerings (Lev. 5:11-13), money (Ex. 30:15), jewelry (Num. 31:50), and incense (Num. 17:11-12).
in judaism is there like a hierarchy for things which have greater atoning powers?
is the atoning power from blood more powerful than prayer for example?
Terminator,
The ritual temple sacrifices were the central act of Jewish annual observances, the passover and day of atonement.

I remember reviewing the verses you cited in the past and they need some scrutinizing. For example, Numbers 31 relates a time when the army attacked Israels enemies:

48 Then the officers who were over the units of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—went to Moses 49 and said to him, “Your servants have counted the soldiers under our command, and not one is missing. 50 So we have brought as an offering to the Lord the gold articles each of us acquired—armlets, bracelets, signet rings, earrings and necklaces—to make atonement for ourselves before the Lord.”

51 Moses and Eleazar the priest accepted from them the gold—all the crafted articles. 52 All the gold from the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds that Moses and Eleazar presented as a gift to the Lord weighed 16,750 shekels

Here the jewels are called an atonement, but it is doubtful that they count as an atonement for sins, because I think the Bible looks on the attack with approval rather than as sin. One possibility if you check earlier in the chapter is that the Atonement concerns ritual purity, rather than sin.

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