Yemen Stone about Joseph?

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Kris
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Yemen Stone about Joseph?

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There diesnt seem to be much in the way of archeology to confirm the stories in the bible. However, I ran across an article that mentions a stone from Yemen that supposedly talks about Joseph and the drought. It appears to be a quote from a Grant Jeoffrey book and he appears to have gotten his info from a Charles Forster book. I don't see this stone cited anywhere else as compelling evidence for the proof of Joseph. Does anybody know anything about this?

http://www.bibleprobe.com/joseph.htm
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At first glance this looks like total BS.

After a little digging -

The Signature of God, Revised Edition: Conclusive Proof That Every Teaching, Every Command, Every Promise in the Bible Is True by Grant R. Jeffrey - https://www.amazon.com/Signature-God-Re ... ure+of+god looks like the masterpiece the piece of crap web site Kris gives is using for its source.

Grant_Jeffrey

Jeffrey was Canadian, but is well known for his problems with Obama. God (or perhaps more accurately, Yoshke) spared him from enduring Obama's second term by having him die suddenly in May, 2012.

a link to the Joseph reference -

https://books.google.com/books?id=OeG3l ... te&f=false

Jeffrey has the phrase - "sent my steward to Joseph" in italics which I'm guessing means it is illegible (maybe it means it's important).

https://kcarres.wordpress.com/2013/10/0 ... ot-nimrod/
In the Nineteenth century an inscription was discovered on a marble tablet in a ruined fortress on the seashore of Hadramaut in present-day Democratic Yemen which confirmed the reign of Jospeh and the seven years of plenty followed by seven years of famine (Genesis 41). It was written around the eighteenth century BC which was the time the Biblical account took place. The inscription was translated into Arabic by Professor Schultens and later translated into English by Rev. Charles Forster. A part of the inscription stated the following:

“We dwelt in this castle seven years of good life—how difficult for memory its description! Then came years barren and burnt up: when one evil year had passed away, then came another to succeed it. And we became as though we had never seen a glimpse of good.”309/42-43

Further evidence was found in Yemen in a rich woman’s tomb. It was discovered in 1850 after being exposed due to a flood. it was later shown to a Mr. Cruttenden by Ebn Hesham, an Arab from Yemen.
It isn't clear if the tablet actually still exists. Mr Cruttenden seems to have been a lieutenant in the Indian (British?) navy.
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When I looked up the first line, it appears that the claim was made in numerous magazines dedicated to goofiness in 1844. The claims of such a discovery were made for the purpose of fantasy writing, something for which that era was known for.

This was also when Joseph Smith was flourishing with fantastic claims about visions of the angel Moroni, who directs him to find gold and bronze plates in "Hill Cumorah" upon which were etched reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics that he could translate using peep stones. You can still find books published by the LDS from that era which "quote" American-Indian chiefs who relate, with appropriate "Ums", "forked-tongues" and other clichés of "Indian" talk, tales that back up the tales in the Book of Mormon about a wave of early Jewish refugees to North America, Lamanites and Nephites.

It was just fanciful storytelling popular in that day, with this particular story resonating with British readers.

DCH

Edit: Changed "waves" to "a wave" as I realized that the Nephites & Lamanites were both supposed to be derived from the same initial migration in 6th century BCE. I think, though, there was also supposed to be a second immigration after the Judean rebellion of 66-74. It's been a long while since I read through the Book of Mormon.
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Kris notes that source of Jeffrey's book comes from Charles Foster who Jeffrey claimed translated Professor Schulten's Arabic translation of the thing.

I'm not clear who this could be - maybe Charles_Farrar_Forster but after reading the wiki, I see no evidence that he was capable of translating Arabic. Maybe more interesting is why the guy even has a wiki.

In the book excerpt I gave Jeffrey cites:

Professor Carsten Niehbur's Voyage en Arabie (plate 59).

There seems to be some technical issues with this however:

Carsten_Niebuhr
Carsten Niebuhr or Karsten Niebuhr (17 March 1733 Lüdingworth – 26 April 1815 Meldorf, Dithmarschen) a German mathematician, cartographer, and explorer in the service of Denmark, is renowned for his participation in the Royal Danish Arabia Expedition (1761-1767). He was the father of the Danish-German statesman and historian Barthold Georg Niebuhr, who published an account of his father's life in 1817.
The problem here being the guy died in 1815 which is before 1850.

Voyage En Arabie & En D'autres Pays Circonvoisins, Volume 1 (French Edition) - https://www.amazon.com/Voyage-Arabie-Da ... 93&sr=1-10

Personally, I'm not going to pay $32.99 to pursue this wild goose.

FWIW - Obama & Interpol - Grant Jeffrey & Perry Stone - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ruveiQHfw
This was from a Prophecy Conference in early 2010. Grant Jeffrey and Perry Stone are speaking of Obama's Executive Order signed in on December 17th, 2009, giving INTERPOL Jurisdiction within the United States of America. This is accurate information and can be confirmed by searching it out online
There was an executive order about Interpol, but it doesn't seem to have been a big deal.

The United States of Interpol? - http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/the-un ... interpol/#
President Obama’s Executive Order of Dec. 16 does nothing except grant to Interpol – the International Criminal Police Organization – certain privileges and immunities that the U.S. gives to dozens of other international groups under the International Organizations Immunities Act of 1945.
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andrewcriddle wrote:See Pretended Inscriptions of Arabia

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