Use of the term the “children of Israel” in Judges

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Use of the term the “children of Israel” in Judges

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Judges is inhomogeneous. There are ideological text and narrative text. Why the term “children of Israel” is used only in ideological text?
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Re: Use of the term the “children of Israel” in Judges

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Krupin wrote:Judges is inhomogeneous. There are ideological text and narrative text. Why the term “children of Israel” is used only in ideological text?
Could you give one example of each?
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Re: Use of the term the “children of Israel” in Judges

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Compare, for example, Chapter 10 with Chapter 11 and 12
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Re: Use of the term the “children of Israel” in Judges

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What is the result of your comparison ?
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Re: Use of the term the “children of Israel” in Judges

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In the short ideological Chapter 10 the term "children of Israel" used 6 times. In the long narrative chapters 11 and 12, the term is not used even once.
This is only one example.
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Re: Use of the term the “children of Israel” in Judges

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Chapter 10
The children of Israel-- meaning the Israelites, the citizens of Israel--
The children of Ammon-- meaning the Ammonites, the citizens of Ammon ,
See files Judges 10:6a and 6b
Concordance for ◄ ḇə•nê- ►
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/venei_1121.htm
In chapter 10 the very recent history of the children of Israel is told which explains the war with the children of Ammon.
In chapter 11 the negotiations between the children of Israel and the Children of Ammon is told and also their war
In chapter 12 the civil war among the Israelites is told , a war of brother against brother
Two nations at war , the children of Israel and the children of Ammon
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judges 11:4,33
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Re: Use of the term the “children of Israel” in Judges

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So here's the question. Why in chapter 10 Jews are referred (sometimes) to as "the children of Israel", but In chapters 11 and 12 they do not call "the children of Israel" never?
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Chapter 12 is about a civil war , brother against bother , the children of Israel fighting each other.
Chapter 13 verse one picks up the narrative .
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Re: Use of the term the “children of Israel” in Judges

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Chapter 10:
6 And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord and served the Baals and the Ashtaroth, and the gods of Syria, the gods of Sidon, the gods of Moab, and the gods of the Ammonites, and the gods of the Philistines; and left the Lord and served Him.
8 They vexed and oppressed the children of Israel eighteen years, all the children of Israel across the Jordan in the land of the Amorites, which is in Gilead.
9 The Ammonites crossed the Jordan to fight also against Judah, Benjamin, and the house of Ephraim. And the children of Israel very closely.
10 And the children of Israel cried to the LORD, and said, We have sinned against thee, because we have forsaken our God and served the Baals.
11 And the LORD said unto the children of Israel: Do not you from the Egyptians, and the Amorites, the Ammonites, and the Philistines,
15 And the children of Israel said to the Lord: We have sinned; do to us whatever you like, but deliver us today.
17 The Ammonites assembled and camped in Gilead; also gathered the children of Israel, and they encamped at Mizpah.

Chapter 11:
4 After some time the Ammonites made war against Israel. (There are no "children of Israel")

Your example 13: 1 is incorrect. Chapter 13 ideological. About her I did not say anything.
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