You have too quote other people, unable to form own opinions , I only use Latin, Etruscan, Greek & Phoenician, that where primarily used
in the Mediterraneans sphere.
Phoenicians existed, get over it.
This is my current work
מָלַל (Malal) 'to speak' , not a true-root word since the word can be further rooted into λαλέω (Lalew) 'talk/chat'
and this can be prefixed ἐπιλαλέω (interrupt in speaking) , παραλαλέω (talk at random) and ἀπολαλέω (blurt-out)
and ἐπι, παρα and ἀπο are represented as a Single letter in Hebrew, either M or N.
M
Malats(מָלַץ) 'sweet tasting' > γλυκέα (Glukea)
Malach(salt) 'salt' < ἁλυκή (Alukh)
Masiyach(משיח) 'muse' < ψύχω/ שִׂיחַ
Mashak (משכ) 'draw out' . ἐκ-(out) , ἐκτείνω
Matat(מַתַּת), Matan(מַתָּן) 'Gift' . δοτός (Dotos)
N prefix
נבכ (N-bek) ἐπὶ πηγὴν (Epi-Pege) * Job 38:16 *אָפִיק (Apiq) "Spring/Channel"
נגש (N-gash) προ ἐγγίσας (pro-Eggisas) or προ σήγαγεν (Pro-Segagen)
נגיד ( N-Gid) προ ηγέομαι (Pro-Hgeomai)
נדד ( N-dad) ἐπτοεῖτο ( Ep-Toeito) Jeremiah 4:25 * πτοέω
נפש ( N-Phesh) προ-ψύχω (Pro-Psuxh) 'give breath too' * ψύχω - שִׂיחַ
נבא (N-Bah) προφήτης > π-φή > נ-בא βοή (Boe) 'to cry' and also בָּטָא (bata) "to speak rashly".
N & P interchange because נעלסה (NOLKE) is a πέλεκυς " Pelican". (Job 39:13)
-Synagogue
כָּנַס גוי ( Kanac gowy ) " a gathering of people" .
-Monkey
קוֹף is Ape - κῆβος (Kebos) "Ape" ( without a tail)
ותכיים is Monkey - πιθήκων ( Pithkon) "Monkey" ( with a tail)
Zeus is the Jewish God.
Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.
בעלת (BOLT) (Mistress)( 1Ki 17:17) , the Septuagint translates this into κυρία (KURIA) , the effeminate form of κύριος (KURIOS) and κυρία , through dialects can transform into Maria, because 'K/G' are often Silent , thus the Letter is dropped and thus κυρία > υρία , words don't generally begin with υ , thus υρία becomes Μρία מריא (MRIA), the Aramaic word for a Lord.
Since ע is often voiced as a hard K sound , BOLT becomes BKHLT , K often softens into a S and thus BOLT > BKLT > BSLT, which is Basilissa (Queen/Mistress), B interchanges with M, so BSL is משל (MSL) and שְׁלֵט (SLT) . The terminal L is dropped and equates with πόσις (Posis) this is why Baal & Bosheth interchange.
Proverbs 29:12 - If a ruler(משל) hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked
- βασιλέως in Sept. βσλ > משל .
Husband = 'The Baal of the House' and Baal is the Philos (φίλος) of the wife.
Baal is everywhere.
Since ע is often voiced as a hard K sound , BOLT becomes BKHLT , K often softens into a S and thus BOLT > BKLT > BSLT, which is Basilissa (Queen/Mistress), B interchanges with M, so BSL is משל (MSL) and שְׁלֵט (SLT) . The terminal L is dropped and equates with πόσις (Posis) this is why Baal & Bosheth interchange.
Proverbs 29:12 - If a ruler(משל) hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked
- βασιλέως in Sept. βσλ > משל .
Husband = 'The Baal of the House' and Baal is the Philos (φίλος) of the wife.
Baal is everywhere.
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.
BIT is House and with vowels it expands into WOIK , the W is dropped and becomes OIK (οἰκός), however Latin retains
the W and they call it a VIC (vicus) and a WICK , a common suffix among English places, in German wīhsą , into the word
House.
House & BIT are cognates.
the W and they call it a VIC (vicus) and a WICK , a common suffix among English places, in German wīhsą , into the word
House.
House & BIT are cognates.
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.
I quoted that article on Goropius's linguistics to show how absurd your methods are. Different people come up with different results, with no way to reconcile them.
Thus making your comparisons worthless. You have to compare them with languages away from the Mediterranean basin to get a good picture of what languages they are closest to.I only use Latin, Etruscan, Greek & Phoenician, that where primarily used
in the Mediterraneans sphere.
Here are some languages of the Pacific rim: English, Spanish, Maori, Indonesian, Tagalog, Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Ainu, Russian. With Ethan's "methods", I'm sure that it is easy to "prove" that all these languages are closely related. I'll copy out of Mark Rosenfelder's list of number names for 1 to 10:
English - one two three four five - six seven eight nine ten
Spanish - uno dos tres cuatro cinco - seis siete ocho nueve diez
Maori - tahi rua toru whā rima - ono whitu waru iwa tekau
Indonesian - satu dua tiga empat lima - enam tujuh delapan sembilan sepuluh
Tagalog - isá dalawá tatló ápat limá - ánim pitó waló siyám sampû
Thai - neung sawng saam sii haa - hok jet paet kao sip
Vietnamese - mộ̣t hai ba bốn năm - sáu bảy tám chín mười
Chinese - yī èr sān sì wǔ - liù qī bā jiǔ shí
Korean - hana tul set net tasǒt - yǒsǒt ilgop yǒdǒl ahop yǒl
Japanese - hitotsu futatsu mittsu yottsu itsutsu - muttsu nanatsu yattsu kokonotsu tō
Russian - odín dva tri četÿre pyat’ - šest’ sem’ vósem’ dévyat’ désyat’
Family memberships:
Indo-European: English, Spanish, Russian
Malayo-Polynesian (Austronesian): Tagalog, Indonesian, Maori
I don't have the patience to set up a combined Swadesh list, even with that 25-word short list.
Irrelevant. (Map of Greek and Phoenician colonies snipped for brevity)Phoenicians existed, get over it.
As if word borrowing never happens. This is the sort of word that tends to get borrowed, since it is a word associated with something originally unfamiliar. Words for numerous kinds of animals have been borrowed from language to language, and I'm sure that these words for simians are no exception.-Monkey
קוֹף is Ape - κῆβος (Kebos) "Ape" ( without a tail)
ותכיים is Monkey - πιθήκων ( Pithkon) "Monkey" ( with a tail)
Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.
Why bring up Chinese? The only words cognates in Chinese are words brought over too the Eastern World through the Conquest of Alexander and the multitude of Greek colonies in Western India.
In the example of כָּנַס גוי ( Kanac gowy )(Gathering of People) 'Synagogue' at the same time deriving the name from συνάγω (Sunagw) thus
how can One word be derived from two languages and retain the same meaning?
Another example is Ecclesiastes, this word can derive from קֹהֶלֶת (qoheleth) meaning 'assembly' (Deuteronomy 33:4) or from
the Greek, ἐκκλησία (Ekklesia) 'assembly' (principal assembly of Athens - 594 BCE) thus how can this ONE word be derived from two languages
and retain it's meaning too?
In the example of כָּנַס גוי ( Kanac gowy )(Gathering of People) 'Synagogue' at the same time deriving the name from συνάγω (Sunagw) thus
how can One word be derived from two languages and retain the same meaning?
Another example is Ecclesiastes, this word can derive from קֹהֶלֶת (qoheleth) meaning 'assembly' (Deuteronomy 33:4) or from
the Greek, ἐκκλησία (Ekklesia) 'assembly' (principal assembly of Athens - 594 BCE) thus how can this ONE word be derived from two languages
and retain it's meaning too?
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.
Jews are dishonest about the nature of there own language, a prime example is the word AL , which you find in Arabic, prefixed with most names.
Exodus 6
אל־משה ( Al Moses)
אל־אברהם ( Al Abraham)
אל־יצחק (Al Isaac)
אל־יעקב (Al Jacob)
אל־פרעה ( Al Pharaoh)
אל־אהרן (Al Aaron)
1 Samuel 16:3
אל־שמואל (Al Samuel)
אל־שאול ( Al Saul)
אל־דוד ( Al David)
אל־ישי ( Al Jesse)
According to the current understanding of Hebrew, All of these are Gods, God-Moses , God-Abraham and God-David.
אל-שדי ( Al Shadday) is ὁ-θεὸς not θεὸς-θεὸς .
Exodus 6
אל־משה ( Al Moses)
אל־אברהם ( Al Abraham)
אל־יצחק (Al Isaac)
אל־יעקב (Al Jacob)
אל־פרעה ( Al Pharaoh)
אל־אהרן (Al Aaron)
1 Samuel 16:3
אל־שמואל (Al Samuel)
אל־שאול ( Al Saul)
אל־דוד ( Al David)
אל־ישי ( Al Jesse)
According to the current understanding of Hebrew, All of these are Gods, God-Moses , God-Abraham and God-David.
אל-שדי ( Al Shadday) is ὁ-θεὸς not θεὸς-θεὸς .
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.
To show how incredibly lame your linguistic "methods" are.
Greek ekklêsiatês is a translation of Hebrew qoheleth, and it is derived from Greek ekklêsia, and not any Hebrew word.Another example is Ecclesiastes, this word can derive from קֹהֶלֶת (qoheleth) meaning 'assembly' (Deuteronomy 33:4) or from
the Greek, ἐκκλησία (Ekklesia) 'assembly' (principal assembly of Athens - 594 BCE) thus how can this ONE word be derived from two languages
and retain it's meaning too?
Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.
(examples in Exodus 6 and 1 Samuel 16:3)
From the contexts of those examples, it is very clear to me that "al" is a preposition that roughly translates into English as "to". Like "X said to Y". Arabic "al", however, is the Arabic word for "the". I'd have to do a lot of research into Hebrew and Arabic linguistics to track down those words further, and much of it is likely to be paywalled, if it is online.
Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.
ἐκκλησιαστοῦ is a genuine Greek word and you can search the word using a Greek Lexicon , the word is found in Plato & Aristotle.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/mor ... +&la=greek
Qoheleth is found in Nehemiah 5:7 and Deuteronomy 33:4 (the Torah) , then 'Moses' who apparently wrote the Torah was loaning words from Greek, According to the Lexicon, the root word given for Qoheleth is qahal (H6950 ) 'to assemble, gather' and is used 173 times in the Hebrew Bible and is identical with the root of Ecclesiastes, which is καλέω, we get the word Class and Council from this root.
Latin rarely uses the definite article, when it does, it is ILLE , for example in the name Magnus ille alexander ' , it is also commonly used in
Le France. In every instance of the Septuagint, אל-שדי is always ὁ-θεὸς (The God) and not God-God. Else the name Allah is also God-God and
yet stems from אל עלה 'O Helios' .
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/mor ... +&la=greek
Qoheleth is found in Nehemiah 5:7 and Deuteronomy 33:4 (the Torah) , then 'Moses' who apparently wrote the Torah was loaning words from Greek, According to the Lexicon, the root word given for Qoheleth is qahal (H6950 ) 'to assemble, gather' and is used 173 times in the Hebrew Bible and is identical with the root of Ecclesiastes, which is καλέω, we get the word Class and Council from this root.
Latin rarely uses the definite article, when it does, it is ILLE , for example in the name Magnus ille alexander ' , it is also commonly used in
Le France. In every instance of the Septuagint, אל-שדי is always ὁ-θεὸς (The God) and not God-God. Else the name Allah is also God-God and
yet stems from אל עלה 'O Helios' .
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf
Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.
Ethan, why does the Greek word have to be derived from the Hebrew word? That's the impression that I'm getting from your etymologies. Whenever you encounter a Hebrew word translated as some Greek one, you try to derive the Greek one from the Hebrew one. Why is it necessary to do that? Why can't the Hebrew word and the Greek word have separate origins?