Zeus is the Jewish God.

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by lpetrich » Sat May 12, 2018 8:51 am

Now the Semitic languages.

Some of the older and more conservative Semitic languages have a noun-case system: nominative -u, accusative -a, genitive -i, though that has been lost is most others, like Hebrew.

But in many Semitic languages, and also many other Afro-Asiatic languages, there is something called the Construct state - Wikipedia. Semitic languages have word order possessed-possessor, and the possessed one's word goes into that special "construct state". This is different from the possessor going into some genitive construction.

I'll illustrate with "Queen of Sheba" (1 Kings 10, 1 Chronicles 9), where the land of Sheba "owns" its queen and thus its name has a genitive syntactical role.

In the original Hebrew:
queen: malka
Queen of Sheba: Malkat Sheba
Notice malka getting a -t and sheba staying unchanged. That's the construct state.

Let's see what it looks like in English:
Queen of Sheba
Sheba's Queen
Latin:
Regina Sabae (though the Vulgate makes Saba indeclinable)
Greek:
Basilissa Sabas (though the Septuagint makes Saba indeclinable)
Russian:
Tsaritsa Shevy
All using genitive constructions for "Sheba", and not modifying "Queen".

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Sat May 12, 2018 9:01 am

-noun sg masc nom -
BABYLON ( Βαβυλών )
LEBANON ( λιβάνών )
MAKEDON ( Μακεδών)
DAORSON ( Δαορσών )
ITALON ( (Ιταλών )

In 1 Kings 16:26, Samaria was named after Shemar
So a masculine noun became a proper locative noun
by suffixing it with -ών / ון- .

שמר(SMR) > שמרון (SMRON) - Σεμερών

Hebron חֶבְר-וֹן Χεβρ-ών
Lebanon לְבָנ-וֹן λιβάν-ών
Pison פִּישׁ-וֹן - Φισ-ών
Gihon גִּיח-וֹן - Γη-ών
Ephron עֶפְר-וֹן - Εφρ-ών
Ekron עֶקְר-וֹן - Ακκαρ-ών
Ashkelon אַשְׁקְל-וֹן - Ἀσκαλ-ὼν
Gibeon גִּבְע- וֹן - Γαβα-ών
Sidon צִיד-וֹן - Σιδ-ών
Shomron שֹׁמְר-וֹן - Σεμερ-ών
Zion צִיּ-וֹן - Σι-ών
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Sat May 12, 2018 9:10 am

Queen of Sheba

1 Kings 10:1
U MLKT SBA (ו מלכת שבא)
Kai Basilissa Saba (καὶ βασίλισσα Σαβα)
And Queen Sheba

1 Kings 10:13
L MLKT SBA (ל מלכת שבא)
Te Basilisse Saba (τῇ βασιλίσσῃ Σαβα)
La Reine Saba ( French)
The Queen Sheba

Of is a dummy-word

Where did French get LA from?
Where did Arabic get AL from?
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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Sat May 12, 2018 9:30 am

2 Kings 18:19
E MLK E GDUL (ה מלך ה גדול )
O Basilius O Megas ( ὁ βασιλεὺς ὁ μέγας)
Article + Noun + Article + Adjective
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Sat May 12, 2018 9:45 am

Songs 3:9 - King Solomon made himself a chariot
APRION OSE LU E MLK SLME ( אפריון עשה לו המלך שלמה)
Phoreion Epoihsen Eautw O Basileus Salumon (φορεῖον ἐποίησεν ἑαυτῷ ὁ βασιλεὺς Σαλωμων)

Noun-Verb-Adjective-Article-Noun-Nom
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Sat May 12, 2018 10:50 am

The word APRION (אפריון ) is unique to Songs 3:9 and matches with the
Septuagint word Phoreion "Chariot, Sedan, Litter or Palanquin".

The usual Hebrew word for a Chariot, is RKB (רכב) and the cognate
is τρόχου ( Trochou ) "Wheeled" > Ρόχοβ > Ρχβ (רכב) but also written MRKB (םרכב)
ם > π so MRK- > PRS or πορίζω/πορίσω "Carry/bring" .

πορεῖον ( Poreion) "Carriage"
φορεῖον (Phoreion) " Litter, Sedan-Chair
פרשים ( Parashim) "Charioteers" (Gen 50:9)
πορίζων ( Porizon) "Carry, Bring"
πόρος ( Poros) "Ferry"
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by lpetrich » Sat May 12, 2018 10:52 am

To summarize my previous post, Indo-European languages generally use a genitive construction for dependence relationships:
Queen of-Sheba

While Semitic languages often use a construct state:
Queen-of Sheba

As to where French "la" came from, it came from Latin illa, feminine of ille, a Latin demonstrative pronoun. Most other Romance languages also got their definite articles from there. "That" > "the" is a common route to a definite article.


Ethan, you show a remarkable ignorance of historical linguistics. Latin to Romance is a classic example in it, because it has a lot of documentation to work from. Not only of the initial and final states, but also some in between. Like Appendix Probi - Wikipedia ("Probus's Appendix"), with corrections of what the author considered bad Latin. But that bad Latin is what became the Romance languages, and one can see foreshadowings of some of their features in it.

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Sat May 12, 2018 11:04 am

I already gave two examples of Articles .

1 Kings 10:13
L MLKT SBA (ל מלכת שבא)
Te Basilisse Saba (τῇ βασιλίσσῃ Σαβα)
La Reine Saba ( French)

2 Kings 18:19
E MLK E GDUL (ה מלך ה גדול )
O Basilius O Megas ( βασιλεὺς μέγας)

You gave raw-examples 'Malkat Sheba' without the preceding articles and ignore important rules.

A. A God's name in prose (and comic verse) will be preceded by an Article
B. The name of a Man or Woman takes the article only when it recurs.

The article makes the person as already known to the listener or reader, because of a previous mention if
the person is human, whereas a God is already known whenever he is mentioned.
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Sat May 12, 2018 11:20 am

1 Kings 1:1 - And the King David

U E MLK DUD ( ו ה מלך דוד )
Kai O Basileus David (καὶ ὁ βασιλεὺς Δαυιδ)
Cuando EL Rey David ( Spanish)
Et __ Rex David ( Vulgar) * Et Ille Rex David
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Sat May 12, 2018 11:25 am

Why does Spanish resemble Hebrew grammar?

1 Kings 1:4 - And the Damsel
U E NORE ( ו ה נערה)
Y la joven ( Spanish) *RVR60
καὶ ἡ νεᾶνις
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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