Zeus is the Jewish God.

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Sun May 13, 2018 1:30 pm

Male & Female in Gen 1:27 are synonyms meaning 'Cut or Separation" .

A. נקב ( NQB ) * root κόπτω (Kopto) also written κόψας ( Kopsas)
- προκόπτω : Cut
- ἐπικόπτω : Strike upon
- προσκόπτω : Strike
- διακόπτω : Cut in two
- ἀποκόπτω : Cut off, Severed from others, special.
- διέκοψας : Strike through

Habakkuk 3:14 " Thou didst strike through" נקבת /διέκοψας

B. זכר ( NKR )
- κορός : Boy, Lad)
- κορός(2) : Spartan warrior
- κοῦρος : Boy, Lad, twigs stripped from a tree
- κορῇ : Girl
- ἐπίκουρος : Young mercenaries
- ἄκουρος : Without-child = עקרה (Akare) - Gen 11:30 Sarai was barren(עקרה )
- κείρω : One who as cut his hair short on emerging from boyhood
- κείρω(2) : Shave, Cut Hair
- קָרַח (Korah) : to be bald, make bald
- כָּרַת ( Karath) : cut
- כְּרֵתִי ( Karathi) : Spartan warriors
- כָּרִי ( Kariy) : Spartan warriors
- φαλακρός ( Phala Kros) : Bald headed
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by lpetrich » Sun May 13, 2018 3:04 pm

Semitic:
Modern Hebrew verb conjugation - Wikipedia
Arabic verbs - Wikipedia
Indo-European:
Ancient Greek verbs - Wikipedia
Latin conjugation - Wikipedia

They have a lot of complexity, but different sorts -- enough to make it difficult to derive Greek verb conjugations from Hebrew ones in a space of a few centuries.

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Sun May 13, 2018 4:00 pm

IAMR - EIPEN : He Said
IAMRU - EIPAN : They Said
NAMR - EIPAMEN : We Said
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IZBTU - ETHUSAN : They Sacrificed
IZBT - ETHUSEN : He Sacrificed

ZBT - THUSIA ( Psalms 50:23)
- In this default form, both the words are Feminine nouns and lack the initial letter E / I

ZB (זב/ΘΥ)

ΘΥ - ΘϜ - ΖϜ - זב
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Sun May 13, 2018 7:46 pm

בתולה ( Bethuleh) isn't always a virgin, in Joel 1:18 it's a young-wife
rendered νύμφην ( Nymph).

In this verse, שק ( Saq) "Sackcloth" is rendered σάκκον (Sakkon) .

σάγος ( Sagos) - coarse cloak, plaid
σάγμα ( Sagma) - covering
σαγήνη (Sagene) - fishing-net
σάκος ( Sakos) - shield for the body
σάκτας ( Saktas) - Sack
σακεύω ( Sakeuw) - Strain, wine-filter
σῦκον ( Sukon ) - Fig

Joel 1:12-13
The vine is dried up, and the fig tree languisheth, the pomegranate tree
Gird yourselves, and lament

Ezekiel 8:14 - women weeping for Tammuz ( Bacchus Dionysus)

Zachariah 12:11 ( the mourning of the Pomegranates in the valley of weeping )
the mourning of Hadad Rimmon(ῥοῶνος ) in the valley of Megiddo

There is NO person called 'hadad-rimmon' and NO place called Megiddo in this verse, invented
by the translators, the Septuagint correctly renders this verse.

Hadad ( κοπετὸς ) "Cry"
Rimmon (ῥοῶνος ) 'Pomegranate
Megiddo (ἐκκοπτομένου) "Cry/Cut"

Megiddon is translated in the Greek as Ekkoptomenou , from ἐκκόπτω [Ekkoptw] 'cut off'
because the root word of 'Megiddo' is גָּדַע [Gada], variants include גִּדְעוֹן [Gideon] and גִּדְעֹם[Gidom]
which are various forms of κοπετόν [Kopeton] or סָפַד 'Caphad' and מִסְפֵּד 'micepd' " Wailing"

קָפַד [Qaphad], דָּכָא[Kathath] כָּחַד [Kachad], כָּסַח[Kacach], קטט[ Qatat], קָטַף[Qataph], קָצַב[Qatsah],תָּזַז[Tazaz]

דִּמְעָה [ dim`ah] ' tears [ Mal 2:13] covering the altar of the LORD with tears,
דָּמָה [Damah] , דְּמִי [Demiy], דָּמָם[Damam] " to cut"
דָּקַק [ Daqaq], דָּפַק [Daphaq], דָּכָא [Daka] "to beat down"
τύπτω [ Tuptw] ' beat, strike or smite'
- κόπτω [Koptw] 'chopped small'
-κόμμα [ Komma] ' stamp down'
בָּקַע [Baqa] ' cleave, beat
דּוּשׁ [ Duwsh] 'thresh, tread > מדשה "Medusa" that which is threshed
שֶׁוַע [Sheva] 'cry
אָבַל [Abel] ' cry, lament

Isa 24:7
The new wine mourneth, the vine languisheth, all the merryhearted do sigh.

Psa 84:6
Who passing through the valley of weeping
Zachariah 12:11
Valley of weeping

בכא - Weep
בקע - Cut
בקעה - Valley
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Sun May 13, 2018 8:28 pm

Sackcloth are Fig-leaves

Gen 3:7
sewed fig(Sukon ) leaves together, and made themselves aprons (Chagowr) (περιζώματα)

Joel 1:8
Girded (περιεζωσμένην ) with sackcloth (Sak)

תאנה (Tane) " Fig"
תאניה (Tanie) "Mourning"
אניה ( Anei) "Lamentation"
ἀνιᾷ ( Ania) "grief, sorrow, distress" (feminine)
ὀδύναι ( Odunai ) "Pain of body" (feminine)
στένω ( Steno ) "moan, narrow"
ὀδύνας (Odunas) "Pain of the body"

Lamentations 2:5
mourning and lamentation.

Διόνυσος


They always wear Fig-leaves when wailing.

Gen 37:34 - put sackcloth upon his loins, and mourned for his son many days
2 Samuel 3:31 - Rend your clothes, and gird you with sackcloth, and mourn
Esther 4:1 -, Mordecai put on sackcloth with ashes and cried with a loud and a bitter cry
Esther 4:3 - mourning among the Jews, and fasting, and weeping, and wailing; and many lay in sackcloth
Jeremiah 4:8 - For this gird you with sackcloth, lament and howl
Jonah 3:8 - But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by lpetrich » Mon May 14, 2018 1:49 am

I'll do Hebrew verbs. As in other Semitic languages, many Hebrew verb roots have three consonants that get different vowels between them. There are seven main conjugations (binyanim, sg. binyan) that a verb can have, conjugations traditionally demonstrated with the verb p\l (\ = `ayin), "action" or "doing". If two forms, then they are active and passive.
  • Simple: pa\al, nif\al ... a-a, ni-.-a
  • Intensive: pi\el, pu\al ... i-e, u-a
  • Causative: hif\il, huf\al ...hi-.-i, hu-.-a
  • Reflexive: hitpa\el ... hit-a-e
The present tense is originally the present participle, and it only agrees with the subject for gender and number.
  • sm -
  • sf -et
  • pm -im
  • pf -ot
The future tense was originally the imperfect (incomplete action) aspect. I'll only list the pa\al forms; the others are similar.
  • 1s e-.-o
  • 2sm, 3sf ti-.-o
  • 2sf ti-.-e-i
  • 3sm yi-.-o
  • 1p ni-.-o
  • 2pm ti-.-e-u
  • 3pm yi-.-e-u
  • 2pf, 3pf ti-.-o-na
Not very clear what this looks most like.

The past tense was originally the perfect (complete action) aspect. Only pa\al forms here also.
  • 1s a-a-ti
  • 2sm a-a-ta
  • 2sf a-a-t
  • 3sm a-a
  • 3sf a-e-a
  • 1p a-a-nu
  • 2pm a-a-tem
  • 2pf a-a-ten
  • 3p a-e-u
The past personal endings somewhat resemble the standalone personal pronouns.
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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by lpetrich » Mon May 14, 2018 2:38 am

Now for Greek verbs.

Thematic verbs: e or o before the ending. Athematic verbs: no vowel in between. Personal endings are for 1s, 2s, 3s, 1p, 2p, 3p. For each tense, thematic (T), then athematic (A), then active (A), middle (M), passive (P), or mediopassive (MP) voices

Present:
T A: -ô, -eis, -ei, -omen, -ete, -ousi
A A: -mi, -s, -si, -men, -te, -asi
T MP: -omai, -ei, -etai, -ometha, -esthe, -ontai
A MP: -mai, -sai, -tai, -metha, -sthe, -ntai

Imperfect:
(thematic; athematic similar)
A: -on, -es, -e, -omen, -ete, -on
MP: -omên, -ou, -eto, -ometha, -esthe, -onto
Also has prefix -e, the "augment"

Aorist (like English simple past tense):
(thematic; athematic similar)
A: -a, -as, -e, -amen, -ate, -an
M: -amen, -ô, -ato, -ametha, -asthe, -anto
P: -th- -ên, -ês, -ê, -êmen, -ête, -êsan
Also has an augment.

Perfect (like English compound past tense):
(thematic; athematic similar)
A: -k- -a, -as, -e, -amen, -ate, -asi
MP: -mai, -sai, -tai, -metha, -sthe, -ntai
Also has reduplication, prefixing by repeating the first sound.

This is as much as I have patience for. But it ought to be evident that Greek verb conjugations have very little resemblance to Hebrew ones.

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by lpetrich » Mon May 14, 2018 6:23 am

Greek Verbs master list of endings
Person PriAct1 PriAct2 PriMid SecAct1 SecAct2 SecMid
1s -mi -mai -on -n -mên
2s -eis -s -sai -es -s -so
3s -ei -si -tai -e - -to
1p -omen -men -metha -omen -men -metha
2p -ete -te -sthe -ete -te -sthe
3p -ousi -asi -ntai -on -san -nto

Endings: Pri = primary, Sec = secondary
Voice: Act = active, Mid = middle
Conjugation: 1 = -ô, 2 = -mi

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Mon May 14, 2018 7:01 am

How about use real-examples. WEEP (Verb)
because of it's importance to the ancient people.

בך (BK) - Weep

כי־יבכו - KI IBKU "For they weep" - Verb 3rd Plural : ὅτι-κλαίουσιν
תבך - TBK "She Wept" - Verb 3rd Singular : ἔκλαυσεν

Lam 1:2
בכו תבכה : κλαίουσα ἔκλαυσεν

בך & Weep are cognates . ב > Ϝ > B / K > Φ
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Mon May 14, 2018 7:54 am

2 Chronicles 35:24-5

Mourned for Josiah
מתאבלים על יאשיהו : ἐπένθησαν ἐπὶ Ιωσιαν

Jeremiah lamented for Josiah
ו יקונן ירמיהו על יאשיהו
καὶ ἐθρήνησεν Ιερεμιας ἐπὶ Ιωσιαν

John 20:11
But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre

Ezekiel 8:14
behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz

The name Tammuz emphasis the Hebrew Month that coincides with the Mulberry harvest
* Josiah died in the month of Tammuz

2 Samuel 5:23 - בכאים weeping-mulberry
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Jesus is a version of Josiah - Iacchus - Bacchus - Dionysus
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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