Zeus is the Jewish God.

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by lpetrich » Mon May 14, 2018 8:55 am

Ethan wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 7:01 am
How about use real-examples.
Beside the point. Ethan, these tables of conjugations and declensions that you brush off so quickly are essentially summaries of "real examples".

I'll get back to verbs. Let's look at their endings in other Indo-European languages.

Latin:
Present active: -ô/-m, -s, -t, -mus, -tis, -nt
Present passive: -or -r, -ris, -tur, -mur, -minî, -ntur
Perfect: -î, -îsti, -it, -imus, -istis, -êrunt -êre

Sanskrit:
Primary active: -mi, -si, -ti, -mas, -tha, -nti
Primary middle: -i, -se, -te, -mahe, -dhve, -ante
Secondary active: -m, -s, -t, -ma, -ta, -n
Secondary middle: -i, -athâs, -ta, -mahi, -dhvam, -nta
Perfect active: -a, -tha, -a, -ma, -a, -us
Perfect middle: -e, -se, -e, -mahe, -dhve, -ire

Greek-Sanskrit similarities: augment for imperfect (e-, a-), reduplication for perfect, some verbs' aorists having -s-, some verbs having vowel shifts. Some Latin verbs' perfects also have vowel shifts, -s-, and/or reduplication.

Old English present: -e, -st, -th, -ath (all three persons)
Old Norse present: -, -r, -r, -um, -idh, -a

Russian: -ju, -e/ish', -e/it, -e/im, -e/ite, -ju/jat
Polish: -m, -sz, -, -my, -cie, -ja(n)
Czech: -u/-m, -sh, -, -me, -te, -ou/-i
Croatian: -m, -sh, -, -mo, -te, -e/-u
Bulgarian: -a/-ja/-m, -sh, -, -m/-me, -te, -at/-jat/-t

Lithuanian: -u, -i, -, -me, -te, -

Hittite 1: -mi, -si, -zi, -weni, -teni, -anzi
Hittite 2: -hi, -ti, -i, -weni, -teni, -anzi

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Mon May 14, 2018 8:59 am

1 kings 13:2
Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name.

Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

2 Chronicles 35:22-3-5
In the valley of Megiddo ( Valley of Weeping)
And the archers shot at king Josiah .. for I am sore wounded.

And Jeremiah lamented for Josiah: and all the singing men and the singing women spake of Josiah in their lamentations to this day, and made them an ordinance in Israel: and, behold, they are written in the lamentations

Josiah : Dionysus
Son of Amon : Son of Zeus-Ammon
Grandson of Kosmos : Grandson of Cadmus
Father of Eliakim : Father of Komos
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by lpetrich » Mon May 14, 2018 9:19 am

Ethan wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 7:01 am
How about use real-examples. WEEP (Verb)
because of it's importance to the ancient people.
???
בך (BK) - Weep

כי־יבכו - KI IBKU "For they weep" - Verb 3rd Plural : ὅτι-κλαίουσιν
תבך - TBK "She Wept" - Verb 3rd Singular : ἔκλαυσεν
Splitting the ou -- what linguistic illiteracy.

Also joining the augment and the first letter.
בך & Weep are cognates . ב > Ϝ > B / K > Φ
In your imagination, Ethan.

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Mon May 14, 2018 9:40 am

1 Kings 13:2
אמר יהוה הנה־בן נולד לבית־דוד יאשיהו שמו
λέγει κύριος ἰδοὺ υἱὸς τίκτεται τῷ οἴκῳ Δαυιδ Ιωσιας ὄνομα αὐτῷ

AMR - Legei
IEUE - Kurios
ENE - Idou
BN - Uios
NULD - Tiktetai
L - Tw
BIT - Oikw
DUD - David
ISAIEU - Iosias
SM - Onoma
U - Auto

Isaiah 9:6
כי־ילד ילד־לנו בן
ὅτι παιδίον ἐγεννήθη ἡμῖν υἱὸς

CI - Oti
ILD - Paidion
ILD - Egennete
LNU - Hmin
BN - Uios

* υἱόν - Ϝἱόν - Ϝν - בן
* οικ - Ϝοικ - Ϝικ - בית
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Mon May 14, 2018 10:25 am

𐤅/ו > ΑΥ > ΑΥΤΟΣ ( 𐤅 𐤀‬𐤕 ) (αὖ τόν) 'and the'

𐤊‬𐤉/ כי : ὅτι, κε, καὶ , γε

Psalms 23:4
כי אלך = καὶ πορευθῶ

Genesis 49:15
כי טוב = ὅτι καλή
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Mon May 14, 2018 8:41 pm

https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by lpetrich » Mon May 14, 2018 11:21 pm

Ethan wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 9:40 am
1 Kings 13:2
אמר יהוה הנה־בן נולד לבית־דוד יאשיהו שמו
λέγει κύριος ἰδοὺ υἱὸς τίκτεται τῷ οἴκῳ Δαυιδ Ιωσιας ὄνομα αὐτῷ

...
Isaiah 9:6
כי־ילד ילד־לנו בן
ὅτι παιδίον ἐγεννήθη ἡμῖν υἱὸς
Ethan, don't you know how to do phonetic transcriptions?

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by lpetrich » Mon May 14, 2018 11:47 pm

I will show Genesis 1:1 phonetically transcribed from the Masoretic Hebrew version and the Septuagint Greek version.

Hebrew: Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz.
Greek: En arkhê epoiêsen ho Theos ton ouranon kai tên gên.
English: In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth.

The two don't look anything alike, and they don't look much like the English version either. The only cognates are between Greek and English:
en ~ in
ton, tên ~ the

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by lpetrich » Tue May 15, 2018 7:03 am

I thought of collecting more translations of Genesis 1:1, but my patience ran out, and I decided that it was not very informative. Here is a longer text that has been widely translated: the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13). Our father in many languages, THE LORD'S PRAYER IN VARIOUS LANGUAGES, Lord's Prayer - Wikipedia.

But here is a text that I find much more meaningful: Pale Blue Dot - Wikipedia It has not been translated as much, however. It also has the problem that much of its vocabulary is the sort that has often been borrowed, like "astronomy".

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Re: Zeus is the Jewish God.

Post by Ethan » Tue May 15, 2018 8:43 am

You are transcribing using Ashkenazi pronunciation , I try to reconstruct the Original Phoenician or Hebrew putting emphases
on individual letters , Greek and Latin uses the same alphabet. ב is β .

I use a table, Hebrew, Septuagint and then write down probable cognates .


HEBREW GREEK alt.
B :En , ἐπὶ
RASIT : Arch ἀρχῇ, ραχιῇ , ρασιτ * feminine
BRA :Epoihsen φέρω, πρό, πυρός בער, ברר , בר , περάω , ῥέω, ἐκπυρσεύω, φλόξ
ALE O
IM: Theos Ζεύς, ζῆν, ζάν, ζάς, δἄν, τἄν, δίς, δημός , דמע, δέμας , דִּמְעָה, αἱμάς , דמ , ימ , ἐλόω, ἐλαίον, ἀλοάω, κλαίω, κλών
AT
ESMIM :Ouranos Σημεῖον, σμάω ,φώς, φαέων
U : Kai
AT: Thn The
EART : Ghn , χώρᾳ τε, ἔραζε, ἔρα, χωράζω, χωρίζω, ῥάσσω, ἀράσσω

* NO abstract creation

A. the-God cleaned the skies and the Earth
B. the-god purified the skies and the earth
C. the-god seperated the skies and the earth
D. the-god refined the skies and the earth
E. the-god winnowed the skies and the earth

Winnow - blow a current of air through (grain) in order to remove the chaff.
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