Was OT originally in Greek?

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Re: Was OT originally in Greek?

Post by Ethan » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:22 am

When i began my interest in Bible, I studied Gematria and 666 and proved that the 666 beast was Jesus Christ all along.

-Proof-

Ἰησοῦς = 888 (Jesus)
Χριστός = 1480 (Christ)

888 + 1480 = 2368

Revelation 13:18
καί ό ἀριθμός = 531 (And the Number)
αὐτός = 1171 (Of it)
χξϚ = 666

531 + 1171 + 666 = 2368

Revelations 1:8 : I am the Alpha and the Omega
ἄλφα = 532 (Alpha)
Ō = 800 (Omega)

800 + 532 = 1332
666 + 666 = 1332
1332 - 666 = 666

Revelation 1:8
I am 666

Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, I am Lucifer
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Re: Was OT originally in Greek?

Post by lpetrich » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:46 pm

Ethan wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:16 am
I already discussed the differences between Hebrew & Greek and it's mostly a style and vowels,
Illiterate nonsense. Look at Appendix:Swadesh lists - Wiktionary and at The Numbers List
Most people are aware that Greek words are much longer then Hebrew,
Not very meaningful, if it is correct at all.
for example the Conjunction is only one letter in Hebrew, three letters in Greek, the primary users of Hebrew were the Phoenician Merchants and they need an efficient language, that doesn't take too much room on whatever limited stone and Papyrus they used, this was the likely reason why the Persian Empire adopted Phoenician as the official language of commerce, from which developed Imperial Aramaic that evolved into the Hebrew script used today.
Language != writing system

Furthermore, Aramaic is not descended from Hebrew.

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Re: Was OT originally in Greek?

Post by lpetrich » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:34 pm

Ethan wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:57 pm
Phoenician language and history as being butchered, it's not even taught in any Schools, nobody knows about the most influential people of
the Ancient world,
How were they "the most influential people of the ancient world"? Hardly any of their writing survives, and only what was written on durable materials. We get much more from the Israelites, Greeks, and Romans.
they gave us our English Script we use today and also the foundation of commerce and language.
Foundation of commerce? Why don't you study prehistoric trade networks some time?

Foundation of language? Writing systems are NOT language. Spoken language is a human universal, as far as anyone can tell.

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Re: Was OT originally in Greek?

Post by lpetrich » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:36 pm

Ethan wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:43 pm
The Hebrew Lexicon is a fallacy, this was exposed by Joseph Yahuda, who's books were suppressed by the theological community,
Suppressed? More like ignored as the crackpottery that it is.

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Re: Was OT originally in Greek?

Post by Ethan » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:09 am

lpetrich wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:34 pm
How were they "the most influential people of the ancient world"? Hardly any of their writing survives,
We have plenty of Phoenician writing, the Old Testament is written in the Phoenician Language, along with the Dead Sea Scrolls, All of which
is Phoenician Mythology and History.
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Re: Was OT originally in Greek?

Post by Ethan » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:17 am

קין : Φοῖν

Numbers 24:21
He looked on the Kenites(קיני), and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwelling-place, and thou puttest thy nest(קנך) in a rock.

Jeremiah 22:23
O inhabitant of Lebanon, that makest thy nest(קנ) in the cedars

Ezekiel 17:3 (The Phoenix)
And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; A great eagle with great wings, long winged, full of feathers,which had divers colours and came unto Lebanon.
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Re: Was OT originally in Greek?

Post by lpetrich » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:29 am

Ethan wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:09 am
lpetrich wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:34 pm
How were they "the most influential people of the ancient world"? Hardly any of their writing survives,
We have plenty of Phoenician writing, the Old Testament is written in the Phoenician Language, along with the Dead Sea Scrolls, All of which
is Phoenician Mythology and History.
The Israelites were an offshoot of the Phoenicians that developed in a very odd way with their YHWH-only cult. The Phoenicians proper continued to worship the old-time Canaanite/Phoenician deities.

There isn't much writing that survives from non-Israelite Phoenicians, and nearly all of that is on durable media. We don't get much from Carthage, for instance.

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Re: Was OT originally in Greek?

Post by Ethan » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:52 am

YHWH is a Phoenician God, also known as Dionysus or Jove, so this God was mostly popular among the vineyard communities.

Israel, this name exclusively appears in the OT, not mentioned by Herodotus and it' just a transliteration of Coele-Syria, thus a late word.

Συρία Κοίλη > Σρί Κλ > Ισρ Κλ > ישראל > Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coele-Syria
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Re: Was OT originally in Greek?

Post by Ethan » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:00 am

Coele-Syria

Kul Eber-Nari
Koile Syria '

The given phrase 'Kul Eber Nari, this phrase can be understood in Greek as 'ὅλος ὑπέρ ἀναρύῃ' ( all-across the river)
and ὅλος being a dialectic form of Κοίλη and ὅλος can be transliterated into אל . ὅ/א

Συρία ὅλος > Σρί ὅλ > Ισρ ὅλ > ישראל > Israel
Συρία Κοίλη > Σρί Κλ > Ισρ Κλ > ישראל > Israel (alt)

This makes sense since the Biblical 'Israel' is the precise area of the Assyrian and then Persian province of “Beyond the River” that became 'Coele-Syria' in 322 BCE, 10 years after the fall of Tyre, who are my primary suspected authors of the Old Testament.

Σρί > Ισρ

This is explained with the introduction of he name 'Israel' in Genesis 23:28, which writes 'שרי as the source for ישר, in order for
the word שרי to form a compound with אל, The Yod needs to move to the front שרי > ישר, the poetic name for Israel is Sharon(השרון) (songs 2:1).
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Re: Was OT originally in Greek?

Post by Ethan » Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:25 am

One of the most popular expression in the KJV is "came to pass", this phrase is written 1697 times in the KJV , however it
is just one word in the Hebrew, יהי , the Septuagint writes ἐγένετο and Vulgar it is Cumque .

יהי is ἰοί 'pass, become'

These words are identical, ἰοί/יהי appears in Plato (Crat. 426e).

Gen 20:12 - גם אמנה - γοῦν ἦμήν 'Well truly'
Gen 32:12 - ואתה - σὺ δὲ "You however"
Isaiah 1:4 - הוי - οὐαὶ 'Woe'

Another phrase used throughout the Hebrew and New Testament scripture is 'cast lots'

Leviticus 16:8 - And Aaron shall cast lots ( גּוֹרָל )
Mark 15:24 - casting lots (κλῆρος )

The phrase 'casting of lots' occur in Homer and the phrase is near-identical in both Greek and Hebrew.

Homer's Lliad 23.358
κλήρους ἐβάλοντο "cast in their lots"

Psalm 22:18
יפילו גורל : ἔβαλον κλῆρον
Ipilu Gurl : Ebalon Klhron

Proverb 1:14
גורל פיל : κλῆρον βάλε
Gurl Pil : Kleron Bale

Jonah 1:7
יפל הגורל: ἔβαλον κλήρους
Ipl egurl : ebalon klerous

Luke 23:34
ἔβαλον κλήρους
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