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Re: Hebrew

Post by Ethan » Mon May 28, 2018 10:29 am

The Greek particle '-ομ is the same as '-עמ and roots ὁμιλίᾳ "assembled people"
that originally begin with ϝ

Ϝὁμιλίᾳ > Familia > Family
Ϝὁμιλίαν = עמילאמ
λαόν = לאמ "Men"
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Hebrew

Post by Ethan » Mon May 28, 2018 11:27 am

Oσμη "Smell"

Ϝοσμη > Ϝσμ > בשמ "Smell"

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/mor ... h&la=greek
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/le ... 1314&t=KJV

ϝοικος > ϝικ > בית "House"

It's mainly the Digamma that sets the languages apart.
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Hebrew

Post by Ethan » Mon May 28, 2018 12:12 pm

צאלים = ξύλον "Tree" ( Shadow cast by a large tree). Job 40:21

צלע
1. Plank of Wood
2. Rib (Gen 2:22)

ξυλόω > ξλό > צלע "turn into wood"
ξύλου > ξλυ > ξλβ > צלמ < צלב "Image"

צלב "Cross"
https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/צלב

Acts 5:30 - κρεμάσαντες (כרמ שית) ἐπὶ (אל) ξύλου (צלב )

This is how the Hebrew word for Wing is so-named from κνέφας(Knephas) > כנף (Kneph) "Wing" that was originally perceived as a shadow from a large bird. This is proven with the Lexicon entry of כָּנַף (H3670 ) " Hidden from View".
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Hebrew

Post by Ethan » Mon May 28, 2018 1:59 pm

יבש = διψ "Dry, Thirsty" * διψάω
ישב = ἵζω " sit, seat, place"
שכן = σκν "Tent, Dwell" * σκῆνος
לַיִשׁ = λίς "Lion"
רוח = ῥύη "Gush"
חשך = σκτ "Darkness" * σκότος
בער = πῦρ "Fire"
ראה = ὥρα "See"
ידע =οἶδα "Know"
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Hebrew

Post by lpetrich » Mon May 28, 2018 3:11 pm

Some more:

Reconstructed Proto-Indo-European: Pater naseros cemeni

Coptic: Peniwt etqen nivyou`i>

Turkish: Ey göklerde olan Babamız
Gagauz: Ey Göklerdä olan Bobamız
Kazakh: Ей Аспандағы Атамыз -- Ei göklerdëki Atamyz
Turkmen: Эй гөклердәки Атамыз -- Ei göklerdëki Atamyz

Tagalog: Ama namin sumasalangit ka
Kapampangan: Ibpa mi, a atsu banua
Indonesian: Bapa kami yang ada di Surga
Maori: E to matou Matua i te rangi
Hawaiian: E ko makou Makua iloko o ka lani

Wolof: Sunu Baay, bi ci asamaan

Swahili: Baba yetu uliye mbinguni
Kinyarwanda: Data wa twes' uri mw ijuru
Lingala: Tatá wa bísó, ozala o likoló,
Bemba: Shifwe wa mu mūlu
Sesotho: Ntata rona ya mahodimong
Zulu: Baba wethu osezulwini
Xhosa: Bawo wethu osezulwini

Inuktitut: Ataatavut qilangmitutit

Navajo: NihiTaa' yá'ąąshdi honílóonii

Tupi: Ore rure vbacpé Ereico

That's just about it.

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Re: Hebrew

Post by lpetrich » Mon May 28, 2018 3:24 pm

Ethan wrote:
Mon May 28, 2018 10:08 am
lpetrich wrote:
Mon May 28, 2018 8:07 am
" Our Father who art in heaven"
Πάτερ(אב) ἡμῶν (נו) ὁ(ה) ἐν(ב) τοῖς(את) οὐρανοῖς(שמים)
Greek: Pater hēmōn, ho en tois ouranois
Hebrew: Avinu shebashamayim

They don't look anything alike.
It's still technically correct.
I'll add to Ethan's Greek-Hebrew comparison:

Father - Πάτερ - אב
our - ἡμῶν - נו
the - ὁ - ה
in - ἐν - ב
the - τοῖς - את
heavens - οὐρανοῖς - שמים

Thus, by Ethan's arguments, English is closely related to Greek and Hebrew. But it's rather glaringly evident that most of the Greek and Hebrew words that he listed do not resemble each other very much. In fact, in this small sample, Greek resembles English more than Hebrew: pater - father, en - in.

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Re: Hebrew

Post by lpetrich » Mon May 28, 2018 3:40 pm

It ought to be evident from my lists that one can easily recognize Germanic, Romance, Slavic, Turkic, and Polynesian families. The resemblance is as much as Hebrew's resemblance to Aramaic and Arabic. I'll quote "Our Father" in full and interleave them:

Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha,
Avvon d-bish-maiya, nith-qaddash shim-mukh.
’abā-nā alladhī fī as-samāwāt-i, li-ya-ta-qaddas-i asm-u-ka!

Tavo malkhutkha, ye'aseh rtsonkha kvashamayim ken ba'arets.
Tih-teh mal-chootukh. Nih-weh çiw-yanukh: ei-chana d'bish-maiya: ap b'ar-ah.
li-ya-’ti malakūt-u-ka! li-takun ma-shī’at-u-ka ʽalā al-’arḍ-i kamā hīa fī as-samā’-i!

Et lekhem khukeynu ten lanu hayom,
Haw lan lakh-ma d'soonqa-nan yoo-mana.
khubz-a-nā kafāf-a-nā ’a-ʽṭi-nā al-yawm-a!

uslakh lanu al khateynu kfi shesolkhim gam anakhnu lakhotim lanu.
O'shwooq lan kho-bein: ei-chana d'ap kh'nan shwiq-qan l'khaya-ween.
wa-aghfir la-nā dhunūb-a-nā, kamā na-ghfir-u naḥnu li-lmu-dhnib-ī-na ’ilay-nā!

V'al tvi'eynu lidey nisayon, ki im khaltseynu min hara.
Oo'la te-ellan l'niss-yoona: il-la paç-çan min beesha.
wa-lā tu-dkhil-nā fī ta-jribat-in, lakin najji-nā mina ash-shirrīr-i,

This is Hebrew, Aramaic, and Arabic -- there were several Aramaic transcriptions, so I chose one of them, a different one from before.

Hebrew is rather recognizably related to Aramaic and Arabic -- it is not recognizably related to Greek, however.

Source: All Languages : The Lord's Prayer : Our Father

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Re: Hebrew

Post by lpetrich » Mon May 28, 2018 4:37 pm

Stupid argument. Very very stupid argument. Jews have long used names that came from the people around them, and those ones were early ones. There are numerous recent Jews with much names, Jews like Albert Einstein, with his very Teutonic name.

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Re: Hebrew

Post by Ethan » Mon May 28, 2018 10:27 pm

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Phoenicians were more dominant in the West then they were in the East, however theologians claim the Hebrew Language for themselves, they believe the Language appeared in the middle of the desert to compose the Torah. The oldest city in Western Europe is Cadiz, founded by Phoenicians in 1104 BCE. Way before Hebrews , Jews and Israel came into existence.


This is a typical map of the David's Empire, have you noticed that the major Capital and Port , TYRE
was not given too Jews, What kind of Empire as it's major ports ruled by someone else?
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1 Kings 10:22
For the king had at sea a navy of Tharshish(Carthage) with the navy of Hiram: once in three years came the navy of Tharshish, bringing gold, and silver, ivory, and apes, and peacocks.

1 Kings 10:11
And the navy also of Hiram, that brought gold from Ophir, brought in from Ophir great plenty of almug trees, and precious stones.

2 Samuel 5:11
And Hiram king of Tyre sent messengers to David, and cedar trees, and carpenters, and masons: and they built David an house.
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Hebrew

Post by Ethan » Mon May 28, 2018 11:18 pm

Numbers 4:24
This is the service of the families of the Gershonites, to serve, and for burdens

גרש = γερουσία "Gerousia" - Spartan council of elders

The word 'Service' is written λειτουργία in the Septuagint alluding too Lycurgus, the quasi-legendary lawgiver of Sparta.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lycurgus_of_Sparta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerousia

Torah = Great Rhetra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Rhetra
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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