Logos

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Re: Logos

Post by Ethan » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:57 am

ἐγώ - " i " ( 1st person pronoun)
λέγω - " i say " (1st person verb)

אנא , אני = ἐγώ γ-נ

לאמר (Lemor) always reads as λέγων (Legon) in the Septuagint
and ל sometimes translates too εις "One" .

אחד = εις
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Re: Logos

Post by John T » Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:51 pm

I normally don't discuss the subject of Logos because most so-called Biblical critics/scholars cannot comprehend the origin and/or meaning of Logos as understood by pre-Socratic philosophy, sophists, early Christians, and Jews.

However, to stop this word play of yours, I would suggest you translate "Logos" as the, 'intangible logic/reasoning of the cosmos'.

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Re: Logos

Post by Ethan » Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:22 am

Cosmos is similar sounding too קדמ ( Qadam) and it's cognate is φθάνω.

φθάνω > קθάν > קθν > קדמ . (Psalm 88:14, Psalm 95:2)

προφθάνω is a translation of תקדמ(Psalm 88:14) and תריץ (Psalm 68:31)

ריץ (Ruwts) is τρέχω (Trech) "Run" .

-קדמ-
φθάνω "come, beforehand, prepare"
ποδῶν "foot"
πηδῶν "leap, spring, jump"
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Re: Logos

Post by Ethan » Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:01 pm

Homeric phrase in the Hebrew Bible.

Homer's Lliad 23.358
κλήρους ἐβάλοντο "cast in their lots"

Psalm 22:18
יפילו גורל : ἔβαλον κλῆρον
Ipilu Gurl : Ebalon Klhron

Proverb 1:14
גורל פיל : κλῆρον βάλε
Gurl Pil : Kleron Bale

Jonah 1:7
יפל הגורל : ἔβαλον κλήρους
Ipl egurl : ebalon klerous

Luke 23:34
ἔβαλον κλήρους
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Re: Logos

Post by semiopen » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:23 pm

Ethan wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:22 am
Cosmos is similar sounding too קדמ ( Qadam) and it's cognate is φθάνω.
Cosmos is similar sounding to shmozmos, it has no similarity to qadam.

In your examples, 6923. qadam - http://biblehub.com/hebrew/6923.htm
anticipate (1), before (2), come (2), come to meet (1), come before (3), comes before (1), confront (3), confronted (4), forestall (1), given (1), go (1), meet (5), receive (1), rise (1), went (1).
None of these meanings comes close to Cosmos - maybe the "come" "confront" and "cosmos" start with "CO"?

Have to admit that you have a knack for picking interesting verses, but maybe the credit for that should to go to the Jewish bible.

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Re: Logos

Post by Ethan » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:29 pm

Kosmos mean 'to order and arrange (troops for battle), to set (an army) in array, kosmos had an important secondary sense of "ornaments of a woman's dress, decoration" (compare kosmokomes "dressing the hair," and cosmetic) as well as "the universe, the world."

Jeremiah 2:32 - Can a maid forget her ornaments
עדיה - κόσμον

Isaiah 3:20 - The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands,
צעדות - κόσμος "Marching, stepping chains, Legs"

ע is guttural, thus ע/דות > κ , ד > σ , ות > μος
thus צעדות & κόσμος are dialectic cognates and
another is קשרים "Ornaments" , קשר "band together"
and קשש "band or gather together", כושרות (kowsharah) "chain", δέσις (Desis ) "binding together,
and δέω (Dew) "bind, tie, fetter" , δεσμός ( Desmos) "Chain" and κάθεμα (Kathema) "necklace"
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Re: Logos

Post by Ethan » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:19 am

Psalm 100:5 - כי טוב / ὅτι χρηστὸς (Chrestos)
Psalm 63:3 - כי טוב / ὅτι κρεῖσσον
Genesis 49:15 - כי טוב / ὅτι καλή
Judges 16:25 - כי טוב / ὅτε ἠγαθύνθη
Psalm 109:21 - כי טוב / ὅτι χρηστὸν
Genesis 1:10 - כי טוב / ὅτι καλόν

כי (Ci) always οτι (Oti), the pronoun or conjunction meaning "The", "That, "Though", "For the", So all these English
pronouns are then cognates of כי.

כיטוב > αγαθοβ > αγαθου > γααθ > Good
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Re: Logos

Post by Ethan » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:29 pm

תריץ in Psalm 68:31 is prefixed with a ת (T) often equates with the Greek ἐκ.

תריץ = ἐκτρέχω "Run out"

Psalm 68:31
Princes shall come out of Egypt; Ethiopia shall run out out her hands unto God.
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Re: Logos

Post by Ethan » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:05 am

Atlas Mountains are in North-West Africa , which means the Phoenicians inspired Greek mythology, Hercules was also the patron god of Phoenician merchants, they call him Melqart .

Melcartus - Mercurius
Helcartus - Hercules

The omission of the initial M is fairly common
Milk/Lac, Mars/Ares, Malax/Rex

Carthage "New port"
- πόρος κτίζω
- Γραικός κτίζω
- πόλις κτίζω

κτίσις > κτσ > חדש ( rip vowels)
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/κτίσις#Ancient_Greek

Cognates include Sanskrit क्षेति (kṣeti)
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Re: Logos

Post by Ethan » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:45 am

The Septuagint as two renderings of מלך , μαλαχ (Malax) and μαλχ (Malx)

μαλαχ - λαχ - Rex "King"
μαλχ - αλχ - αρχ "Ruler"
λαχ - ראש - "Chief"

משל - βσλ - Βασιλιάς "King"

ראש is a valid root word for מלך .
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