Logos

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Re: Logos

Post by Ethan » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:46 am

A. The definite article never appears in early Greek writings, not even in the Iliad and the Odyssey of Homer.
B. They are no articles in Mycenaean Linear B
C. Latin and Etruscan have no articles.

"שמים וארץ" or
"אתה שמים ואת הארץ"
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Re: Logos

Post by Ethan » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:19 am

In English, there is no difference between "The Heavens and the Earth" and "Heavens and Earth"

Gen 1:1 -
In THE beginning
En EL principio (Spanish)
in principio" (Latin)
ἐν ἀρχῇ
בראשית

A, In the Beginning God created the heavens and the Earth
B. In beginning God created heavens and Earth

בראשית ברא אלהים את השמים ואת הארץ (Prose)
בראשית ברא הים שמים וארץ (Poetry)

Jhn 1:1
A. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
B. In beginning was Word and Word was with God and Word was God.
in principio erat Verbum et Verbum erat apud Deum et Deus erat Verbum

בראשית יהי הדבר ודבר אל האלהים ואלהים יהי הדבר ( Prose)
בראשית יהי דבר ודבר אל הים והי יהי דבר (Poetry)
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Re: Logos

Post by Ethan » Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:00 am

The Hebrew for double is CPLIM or CPUL .

Du-Plico
Bi-Plex
Bi-Farius
Bi-Narius
Bi-Forus
Ge-Mellus
Di-Vider
Du-Plus
Dou-Ble
Bi-Pertitus
De-Partire
Co-Pula
Dia-Chorizo

The prefix too all these words is BDL (בדל) that PIE calls 'wi-tero' . viðr / with.
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Re: Logos

Post by Ethan » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:19 am

Every words demands a three letter root and the pronouns
at the end of words, are no exception.

שכמ־ו "His shoulder"
שכמ־ה "Her shoulder"

ו from אתו (Gen 35:9)
ה from אתה ( Gen 24:47)

-Greek-
את-ו = αυτ-ο (αὐτὸν ) 'To Him' (τό ὁ)
את-ה = αυτ-η (αὐτὴν) To Her' (τῇ ἧ)

"To Him" = לו = τό ὁ = לאתו = αὐτῷ (לאת-ו/αὐτ-ῷ)

The root form of ל is לאמ 'People' same as λεῶν
cognate with the English word "Land".

נו(Nu) "place, resting place, habitation, abode"
νομός/νέμω "Place, habitation"

ῷν (duel-pronoun form of ὧ/ו ) in Hebrew is וֹן .
and the root is לוֹן/λαόν 'the habitation' .

So in English, לבנ-ון would be Laban-Land .
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Re: Logos

Post by John T » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:28 pm

Ethan,

Go ahead with your word puns but I don't think anyone else is going to engage.
However, if you are serious about the subject, then start a dialogue, otherwise, I'm done on this thread.

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Re: Logos

Post by Ethan » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:50 am

Pun is a type of satire that makes a play on similar sounding words, I am not sure if American schools teach that.
How come Jews read Torah in Hebrew, Muslim read Koran in Arabic and American Christian read Bible in 16th Century English.

Many American Christians believe the Earth is flat, that's what happens when you give people bad logos.
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Re: Logos

Post by Ethan » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:29 am

Most common phrase in King James Version is "came to Pass" , this occurs 1697 times
and the Hebrew word is יהי , the Greek cognate is ἰοί (ἰόομαι ), the Septuagint reads ἐγένετο
and the Vulgar as Cumque .

The word יהי is prose as it does not occur in the Psalm.

ἰοί
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/mor ... i&la=greek

1697 times in 462 verses in the KJV.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/ ... rimary_0_1


Jeremiah 13:6
And it came to pass after many days ( KJV)

ו יהי מקץ ימים רבים
καὶ ἐγένετο μεθ᾽ ἡμέρας πολλὰς
And Came after many days

μεθ (Meth) or μετὰ resembles מקץ (Mqet) "After" .
Detaching M, Qet (קץ) this equates with ἐθ/ἔτι
meaning 'Yet'.

μεθ = מקץ
ἐθ = קץ


קץ cognate with the English adverb, Yet.
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Re: Logos

Post by Ethan » Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:45 am

Gen 20:12 - And well truly

ו גם אמנה
καὶ γὰρ ἀληθῶς

U GM : KAI GAR

γὰρ is from γε and this root forms γοῦν
that is γέ + οὖν (גם)

γοῦν - Certainly, Well

2832. In answers γοῦν means well, at least; yes certainly; a
2833. γοῦν finds the proof of an assertion in one of several possible facts or occurrences; γάρ gives the reason in general,
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... tion%3D184

The King James reads "and Yet indeed' ( Bad translation)

אמנה - ἦ μήν , εἶ μάν "verily, truly"
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Re: Logos

Post by John T » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:14 am

Ethan wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:50 am

Many American Christians believe the Earth is flat, that's what happens when you give people bad logos.
Care to provide a cite that supports that outrageous claim?
Or are you just using bad logos?
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Re: Logos

Post by Ethan » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:20 am

I am citing facts, they are many Christians that literally believe that the Earth is flat, they have a society, conventions
and thousands of Youtube videos trying to prove it.

Quote- "You know it's in the bible, that the earth is Flat"
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