Lucuas / Andreas. Jewish King? messianic overtones?

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Lucuas / Andreas. Jewish King? messianic overtones?

Post by MrMacSon » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:06 pm


LUCUAS (early second century C.E.), Jewish "king" and leader of the Jewish rising in Cyrene (115–117 C.E.). The sources are divided as to the name of the Jewish leader; whereas Eusebius (Historia Eclesiastica 4:2) refers to the Jewish king Lucuas, Dip Cassius (68:32) calls him Andreas. It has been suggested, therefore, that the "king" had a double name: Λουκούας ὸ κάὶ Ανδρέας.

Mention of a Jewish "king" perhaps signifies the messianic overtones of the Jewish revolt in Egypt and Cyrene.

One of the "Acts of the Alexandrine Martyrs" describes a dispute between a Greek and Jewish embassy before the Roman emperor Hadrian, and from its contents it is apparent that the subject under debate is connected with the Jewish revolt in Alexandria. A certain king of the stage and mime is mentioned as being brought forth by the Alexandrians to be mocked by the Roman prefect.

Tcherikover, in analyzing the papyrus, points out that although it is possible that the "king" described is Lucuas, "he certainly would have been a prisoner in the hands of the Romans, and not of the Alexandrians" as is implied in the text. Furthermore, it is difficult to ascertain why Hadrian should be angry with the Alexandrians, if the object of their mockery was "the Jewish king" responsible for the uprising.

Bibliography
Schuerer, Hist, 291f.; Tcherikover, Corpus, 1 (1957), 86, 89, 90 n. 83; 2 (1960), 87–99.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/lucuas

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Re: Lucuas / Andreas. Jewish King? messianic overtones?

Post by Ethan » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:21 pm

The way Λουκούας is spelled, suggests it's a transliteration of a Punic name.
so perhaps, Λουκ (מלך) + ο ύας (ה איש) .

איש, אנש = ἀνήρ, ἀνδρός ( מלך אנשרוח )
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Re: Lucuas / Andreas. Jewish King? messianic overtones?

Post by Joseph D. L. » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:33 pm

The Acta Pauli et Antonini never identifies the king, and is relating events that occurred in 113 ad, before the Kitos war started proper. I think this conforms somewhat to what bar Hebraeus said.

And the Jews who were in Egypt rebelled, and set up for themselves a king whose name was Lumpis, and he governed them and came to Judea.

Gregory bar Hebraeus seems to say that Lukuas ruled for sometime, where Eusebius and Dio Cassius gives the impression that he was exalted as king only at the beginning of the revolt in 115 ad. This maybe confirmed by the Acta Pauli et Antonini, which extends before this by three years. 115 ad is just a summation--revolts were popping up prior to this.

And compar what bar Hebraeus says about Lukuas with what the Synoptics say about Simon of Cyrene...

Lukuas Andreas maybe a corruption of sorts. Lukuas may originally be Lucius, derived from lux, light; and Andreas or Andrew (Man) maybe a related to Ishu, אישו, 'The/His Man'. When taken together you get The/His Man of Light.

My opinion of Lukuas is that he is the Jesus of Christianity, as well as Simon of Cyrene and Simon of Jerusalem. Yeshu ben Stada may also related to him as well.

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Re: Lucuas / Andreas. Jewish King? messianic overtones?

Post by Joseph D. L. » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:34 pm

Ethan wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:21 pm
The way Λουκούας is spelled, suggests it's a transliteration of a Punic name.
so perhaps, Λουκ (מלך) + ο ύας (ה איש) .

איש, אנש = ἀνήρ, ἀνδρός ( מלך אנשרוח )
That's what I'm thinking.

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Re: Lucuas / Andreas. Jewish King? messianic overtones?

Post by Joseph D. L. » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:28 pm

Lucius of Cyrene, who appears in Acts of the Apostles 13:1, looks like a possible derivative of Lukuas. The Egyptian that Paul is associated with in Acts 21:38 is another derivative of Lukuas. I'm of the mind that the Josephus-Hegesippus writer was just conflating first and second century figures together.

Apostle Andrew, the brother of Simon Peter, is another possible derivative of Andreas. (Though I think the 'twin' distinction is reserved for Julian and Pappus).

Lukuas's real, Jewish name was either John or Simon.

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