Sophia is Justified by her children

[theeternaliam]

I've never heard a good orthodox explanation of this saying of jesus and to me it sounds like a fairly explicit gnostic message. I would be interested in knowing what the original Greek is and whether the word translated as"justified" could also be translated as "redeemed" and if there are any alternate translations in general.

Any thoughts?

[Martin Klatt]

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[theeternaliam]

Yes that's one layer of meaning. But is that an actual possible translation? Or does Jesus actually say "her children" in that saying?

[andrewcriddle]

Luke 7:35 καὶ ἐδικαιώθη ἡ σοφία ἀπὸ πάντων τῶν τέκνων αὐτῆς. but wisdom is vindicated by all her children.
parallel Matthew 11:19 ...καὶ ἐδικαιώθη ἡ σοφία ἀπὸ τῶν ἔργων αὐτῆς. ...but wisdom is vindicated by her actions.

Andrew Criddle

[theeternaliam]

Could Matthews translation perhaps come from an orthodox perspective then? Might Luke's be the original saying of jesus and inn Matthew later scribes changed it to a more orthodox interpretation of Sophia?

[andrewcriddle]

Could Matthews translation perhaps come from an orthodox perspective then? Might Luke's be the original saying of jesus and inn Matthew later scribes changed it to a more orthodox interpretation of Sophia?

I tend to agree that Luke has probably the more original saying and that Matthew has modified it.

Andrew Criddle