Secret Mark, GRS Mead and Morton Smith

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DCHindley
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Re: Secret Mark, GRS Mead and Morton Smith

Post by DCHindley » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:03 pm

I have been trying to find out who might have been able to forge the letter of Clement of Alexandria to Theodore (if that is what it was) in the age of Theosophy (roughly 1878 onwards).

Having previously suggested G R S Mead, who flourished at the cusp between the late 19th and early 20th centuries. While he was a trained scholar I have come to the conclusion that he did not have the calligraphic ability to produce the text that was photographed by Smith. It would be more likely from the hand of a person who was an expert at writing minuscule cursive Greek, either a professional calligrapher (sp?) or an Eastern Orthodox monk.

M Smith, IMHO, also did not have the ability to write in a "manuscript" type hand.

An alternate suggestion was Constantine Simonides, who definitely could have produced this letter out of whole cloth. Yet he supposedly died in 1867, although there is evidence (so I hear) that he faked his own death so he could continue to produce forgeries sold through intermediaries. The alternate date of death is 1890, but search as I may there seem to be absolutely no sources to be found online that say this. There is no evidence I can see that he had theosophic leanings either.

However, if someone had a familiarity with the underground mystic movement that was propagated under the pseudonym "Dionysius the Areopagite," with talk of veiled truths and citations from otherwise unknown books by a certain Hierotheos, that person could I think create the letter. If, that is, they had the skill set stated two paragraphs above.

Does anyone have a suggestion for a resource to help me for "likely suspects?"

DCH

Edit: Added comment about Smith's ability to write with a "manuscript" hand.

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Re: Secret Mark, GRS Mead and Morton Smith

Post by theeternaliam » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:22 am

DCHindley wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 7:50 am
Until recently I had only encountered Dionysius the Areopagite in passing. He is mentioned in connection with Dionysius the Bishop of Corinth, as they had been equated by some. Others have thought that the real writer behind the pseudonym was Clement of Alexandria. This latter connection may be relevant to the source of the backstory of the Letter to Theodore.

For those who do not have access to the latest translations of the Corpus Dionysium (if that is what it is called), which has been aided by Syriac manuscripts edited in the 1970s, most of his alleged works are available in ET from the Greek mss by John Parker, part 1 (DIVINE NAMES, MYSTIC THEOLOGY, LETTERS, &c.) published 1897 and part 2 (THE HEAVENLY HIERARCHY, AND THE ECCLESIASTICAL HIERARCHY.) in 1899. The archive PDF below contains both parts (they were apparently originally published separately and someone combined them together):

https://archive.org/details/worksofdion ... t/page/208

DCH
Thank you for the works of Dionysus pdf. I'm quite keen on the cloud of unknowing, which is partially inspired by dionysus the areopagite from what I gather. Will promptly bookmark that site. I've been living more of an active as opposed to contemplative life lately, but reading books on Christian contemplation can inspire me to practice more. I've considered living a wholly contemplative life as I'm not exactly enamored with the current world we living in but have yet to make the leap

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Re: Secret Mark, GRS Mead and Morton Smith

Post by DCHindley » Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:37 am

theeternaliam wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:22 am
DCHindley wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 7:50 am
Until recently I had only encountered Dionysius the Areopagite in passing. He is mentioned in connection with Dionysius the Bishop of Corinth, as they had been equated by some. Others have thought that the real writer behind the pseudonym was Clement of Alexandria. This latter connection may be relevant to the source of the backstory of the Letter to Theodore.

For those who do not have access to the latest translations of the Corpus Dionysium (if that is what it is called), which has been aided by Syriac manuscripts edited in the 1970s, most of his alleged works are available in ET from the Greek mss by John Parker, part 1 (DIVINE NAMES, MYSTIC THEOLOGY, LETTERS, &c.) published 1897 and part 2 (THE HEAVENLY HIERARCHY, AND THE ECCLESIASTICAL HIERARCHY.) in 1899. The archive PDF below contains both parts (they were apparently originally published separately and someone combined them together):

https://archive.org/details/worksofdion ... t/page/208

DCH
Thank you for the works of Dionysus pdf. I'm quite keen on the cloud of unknowing, which is partially inspired by dionysus the areopagite from what I gather. Will promptly bookmark that site. I've been living more of an active as opposed to contemplative life lately, but reading books on Christian contemplation can inspire me to practice more. I've considered living a wholly contemplative life as I'm not exactly enamored with the current world we living in but have yet to make the leap
Thanks!

DCH

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