Nasruddin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:48 pm
John is the precursor. Jesus is the the one who comes after.
please don't say a so stupid thing. Not in this thread. You are clearly talking as a Christian believer. The option "John precursor of Jesus" is absolutely not contemplated in this thread. I don't like the idea.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
Giuseppe wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:04 pm
please don't say a so stupid thing. Not in this thread. You are clearly talking as a Christian believer. The option "John precursor of Jesus" is absolutely not contemplated in this thread. I don't like the idea.
Giuseppe dictating what others can and cannot say.
Why, in the fourth gospel, the Paraclet is identified with the holy spirit, if the goal of the gospel was to contrast who based the his own gospel on the revelation by the holy spirit?
The solution of the enigma is that the Paraclet was in a first place only a real man (the leader of the sect of the author of the fourth gospel) and only later he was identified with the holy spirit.
So the message of proto-John was:
Just as John the Baptist is my precursor, so I (Jesus) am the precursor of mr Paraclete (a real historical man). Please stop your hallucinations.
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.
1) Paul and the Pillars: Christ crucified in outer space. Worship of YHWH. Zero knowledge of a John the Baptist.
2) a lot of different revelations, visions, etc. Birth of Anti-YHWH sects.
3) some Jews (not Christians) invent a biography about John the Baptist as prophet of YHWH inspired by holy spirit.
4) proto-John: John is made precursor of Jesus Son of Father. Anti-YHWH. The OT prophets are thieves and robbers. The Paraclet is Marcion.
5) Mark and Matthew and Luke and our John: Jesus becomes son of YHWH. The Paraclet is the holy spirit but the time of revelations is closed with Jesus and the OT prophets. Invention of Barabbas ("Jesus Son of Father").
Now the problem is to detect evidence of the real origin of "John the Baptist", between (2) and (3).
Nihil enim in speciem fallacius est quam prava religio. -Liv. xxxix. 16.