gryan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:21 am
gryan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:00 am
rgprice wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:34 am
...I do agree with the OP that something is odd about 14:41.
Literal Standard Version
And He comes the third time and says to them, “
Sleep on from now on, and rest—it is over; the hour came; behold, the Son of Man is delivered up into the hands of the sinful;
That literal rendering is odd! (For those of us accustomed to reading the words as a question):
NIV
Returning the third time, he said to them,
"Are you still sleeping and resting? Enough! The hour has come. Look, the Son of Man is delivered into the hands of sinners.
Matthew's redaction alters it a bit:
...then He comes to His disciples and says to them,
“Sleep on from now on, and rest! Behold,
the hour has come near, and the Son of Man is delivered up into the hands of sinners.
(Literal Standard Version)
Luke's redaction turns it into a question:
...and He said to them,
“Why do you sleep?
Having risen, pray that you may not enter into temptation.”
(Literal Standard Version)
Mark 14:32-42, Literal Standard Version
32And they come to a spot, the name of which [is] Gethsemane, and He says to His disciples, “Sit here until I may pray”; 33and He takes Peter, and James, and John with Him, and began to be amazed, and to be very heavy,
34and He says to them, “My soul is exceedingly sorrowful—to death; remain here, and watch.”
35And having gone forward a little, He fell on the earth, and was praying that, if it be possible, the hour may pass from Him, 36and He said, “Abba, Father; all things are possible to You; make this cup pass from Me; but not what I will, but what You [will].”
37And He comes, and finds them sleeping, and says to Peter, “Simon, you sleep! You were not able to watch one hour! 38Watch and pray, that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit indeed is forward, but
the flesh weak.”
39And again having gone away, He prayed, saying the same word;
40and having returned, He found them sleeping again, for their eyes were heavy, and they had not known what they might answer Him.
41And He comes the third time and says to them, “
Sleep on from now on, and rest—it is over; the hour came; behold,
the Son of Man is delivered up into the hands of the sinful;
42rise, we may go, behold, he who is delivering Me up has come near.”
I hear echos of Paul in Romans 8:1-8 (Literal Standard Version):
There is, then, now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus, who walk not according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit; 2for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus set me free from the law of sin and of death; 3for what
the Law was not able to do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, His own Son having sent in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh, 4that the righteousness of the Law may be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 5For those who are according to the flesh, mind the things of the flesh; and those according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit; 6for
the mind of the flesh [is] death, and the mind of the Spirit—life and peace; 7because the mind of the flesh [is] enmity to God, for to the Law of God it does not subject itself, 8for neither is it able; and those who are in the flesh are not able to please God.
Re: "Sleep on from now on, and rest—it is over"
Could Mark's Jesus be giving a Pauline symbolic declaration of death toward life under the law "weak through the flesh"?