I should remember this article of G. Ory translated by Salm.
http://www.mythicistpapers.com/2012/09/ ... jesus-ory/
I find there particularly interesting this claim:
At the same time, Jesus is not called Yeoshua in the Talmud but Yesou (from the Greek Iesous). This shows that aramaic speaking Jews knew of Jesus only via Greek mediation
about the Talmud, I read this conclusion of more recent research:
External evidence gives independent witness that the earliest core
in this tradition was: "On the Eve of Passover, they hung Jesus of Nazareth for sorcery
and enticing Israel [to idolatry]." ...
The least difficult explanation is therefore that the earliest core of the censored tradition
of Jesus' trial came from the actual court records
from the time of Jesus which succeeding
generations felt they could not change, despite the
difficulties presented by the wording.
Instead, later editors added explanatory phrases during the latter half of the second
century.
source:
http://www.tyndale.cam.ac.uk/Tyndale/st ... nsored.pdf
beyond the historicist apologies, it would seem that the possibility of use of ''YHWH saves'' as name for Jesus was according only to the interest of Jewish Christians and proto-Catholics, not of Marcionites nor Talmudic writers. Unless the intent was to raise a latent contradiction:
1) a true Jewish messiah, even if he dies,
cannot be killed by Jews.
2) Jesus is killed by ''Jews''.
3) therefore: Jesus is
not really a ''YHWH saves'' but he is the salvation of another god.