Giuseppe wrote:Not even when where Luke has "the Most High" Marcion has "God"?
https://markusvinzent.blogspot.it/2011/ ... f.html?m=1
Why can't I apply the "argument from polemical reason" about the "Most High" affair just as you have used it about the "envy" affair in the Odes?
Marcion in Luke 6:35 definitely has
sons/children of God instead of
sons/children of the most high. in canonical Luke. However in Luke 8:28 Marcion
probably read
son of God instead of
son of the most high God in canonical Luke. I'm not sure of this but the exact title is relevant enough that
IF Tertullian is playing fair then he should have mentioned
most High if it occurred. Now
son of the most high God is almost certainly original being found in Mark Luke's source. (There is a problem that a few manuscripts of canonical Luke read just
son of the most high but this is probably homoteleuton.) If I'm right that Marcion omitted
most high in Luke 8:28 then he probably changed
most High to
God in Luke 6:35.
Andrew Criddle
EDITED TO ADD
I'm adding Tertullian on the demoniac in Luke 8 for ease of reference
You suppose that He is predicted as a military and armed warrior, instead of one who in a figurative and allegorical sense was to wage a spiritual warfare against spiritual enemies, in spiritual campaigns, and with spiritual weapons: come now, when in one man alone you discover a multitude of demons calling itself Legion, Luke 8:30 of course comprised of spirits, you should learn that Christ also must be understood to be an exterminator of spiritual foes, who wields spiritual arms and fights in spiritual strife; and that it was none other than He, who now had to contend with even a legion of demons. Therefore it is of such a war as this that the Psalm may evidently have spoken: The Lord is strong, The Lord is mighty in battle. For with the last enemy death did He fight, and through the trophy of the cross He triumphed. Now of what God did the Legion testify that Jesus was the Son? Luke 8:28 No doubt, of that God whose torments and abyss they knew and dreaded. It seems impossible for them to have remained up to this time in ignorance of what the power of the recent and unknown god was working in the world, because it is very unlikely that the Creator was ignorant thereof. For if He had been at any time ignorant that there was another god above Himself, He had by this time at all events discovered that there was one at work below His heaven. Now, what their Lord had discovered had by this time become notorious to His entire family within the same world and the same circuit of heaven, in which the strange deity dwelt and acted. As therefore both the Creator and His creatures must have had knowledge of him, if he had been in existence, so, inasmuch as he had no existence, the demons really knew none other than the Christ of their own God. They do not ask of the strange god, what they recollected they must beg of the Creator— not to be plunged into the Creator's abyss. They at last had their request granted. On what ground? Because they had lied? Because they had proclaimed Him to be the Son of a ruthless God? And what sort of god will that be who helped the lying, and upheld his detractors? However, no need of this thought, for, inasmuch as they had not lied, inasmuch as they had acknowledged that the God of the abyss was also their God, so did He actually Himself affirm that He was the same whom these demons acknowledged— Jesus, the Judge and Son of the avenging God.