Is God competent or incompetent?

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:58 pm

Strange that you do not want to judge Eden as our elevation or our fall.

When you state your verdict on the Jewish or Christian views, we can continue.

As to Gnostic Christians, we hold no supernatural beliefs, but see the wisdom in seeking to become as Gods the way A & E did.

Seeking to be as Gods equates to seeking freedom. Not seeking to elevate ourselves and not seeking to be as Gods equates to slavery.

We wonder why all others idol worshiping Christians and Muslims would want to be slaves.

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Post by Gnostic Bishop » Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:19 pm

iskander wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:56 pm

PS The expulsion from the Garden of Eden was very bad news in all the religions of the book; it meant 'Paradise Lost' for all those religions of the book.--- What do CG say about the Fall , aka the death of the soul?
We likely do not define soul the way you do. first though.

Why does the Christian Exusltet hymn call Adam's sin a happy fault and necessary if it were not so?

God had already slayed that Jesus would die so it seems that God wanted Adam to do what he created him to do. Be the light of the world.

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Post by iskander » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:42 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:19 pm
iskander wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:56 pm

PS The expulsion from the Garden of Eden was very bad news in all the religions of the book; it meant 'Paradise Lost' for all those religions of the book.--- What do CG say about the Fall , aka the death of the soul?
We likely do not define soul the way you do. first though.

Why does the Christian Exusltet hymn call Adam's sin a happy fault and necessary if it were not so?

God had already slayed that Jesus would die so it seems that God wanted Adam to do what he created him to do. Be the light of the world.

Regards
DL
iskander wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:50 pm
What is a Gnostic Christian ?
PS You are the best man to answer.
How does Christian Gnostics interpret Matthew 6 :22?

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Post by iskander » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:11 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:58 pm
Strange that you do not want to judge Eden as our elevation or our fall.

When you state your verdict on the Jewish or Christian views, we can continue.

As to Gnostic Christians, we hold no supernatural beliefs, but see the wisdom in seeking to become as Gods the way A & E did.

Seeking to be as Gods equates to seeking freedom. Not seeking to elevate ourselves and not seeking to be as Gods equates to slavery.

We wonder why all others idol worshiping Christians and Muslims would want to be slaves.

Regards
DL
Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:58 pm
Strange that you do not want to judge Eden as our elevation or our fall.

When you state your verdict on the Jewish or Christian views, we can continue.
O Felix Culpa, is only a Catholic prayer to make the Fall look better than it is; a morale boosting hymn , a pep talk . They feel happy because they have survived a potentially lethal accident.
O Felix culpa because it elevates mankind above the status of Adam and Eve, say the RCC.


Cardinal Biffi’s meditation:
"There is surely a mystery here. And this is the subject of Cardinal Biffi’s meditation. He bases it on the teaching of Saint Ambrose who was the Archbishop of Milan from 374 to 397. Actually the phrase “O Felix Culpa,” not the idea, was first used by his disciple Saint Augustine. Saint Thomas Aquinas develops the truth further in his Summa: “But there is no reason why human nature should not have been raised to something greater after sin. For God allows evils to happen in order to bring a greater good therefrom” (Third Part, Question 1, Article 3, Reply to Objection 3). I understand that the redemption wrought by the God-man has elevated those in grace above what would have been due to the just if Adam had not fallen. In the Offertory of the Mass, the priest affirms the same when he prays: “O God, Who in creating man didst exalt his nature very wonderfully and yet more wonderfully didst establish it anew . . .”
http://catholicism.org/o-happy-fault.html


How do Christian Gnostics explain their natural religion?
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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Post by iskander » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:50 pm

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:58 pm
Strange that you do not want to judge Eden as our elevation or our fall.

When you state your verdict on the Jewish or Christian views, we can continue.

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The Paschal candle is lit from the triple candle, at FSSP parish in Rome


This is repeated practically verbatim in another verse of the Exultet: “Nihil enim nobis nasci profuit nisi redimi profuisset” (For it availed us nothing to be born, unless it had availed us to be redeemed).
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Too, perhaps Saint Ambrose is merely developing what Saint Paul was inspired to teach in Romans 8:28: “And we know that to them that love God, all things work together unto good, to such as, according to his purpose, are called to be saints.”
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Our illustrious Cardinal also provides a complementary verse from one of the Prefaces of the Ambrosian liturgy: “You bent down over our wounds and healed us, giving us a medicine stronger than our afflictions, a mercy greater than our fault. In this way even sin, by virtue of your invincible love, served to elevate us to the divine life” (Sunday XVI per annum).

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Post by iskander » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:00 pm

O Felix Culpa
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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Post by iskander » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:05 pm

Our birth would have been no gain,
had we not been redeemed.
O wonder of your humble care for us!
O love, O charity beyond all telling,
to ransom a slave you gave away your Son!


O truly necessary sin of Adam,
destroyed completely by the Death of Christ!
O happy fault
that earned for us so great, so glorious a
Redeemer!

Nihil enim nobis nasci prófuit,
nisi rédimi profuísset.
O mira circa nos tuæ pietátis dignátio!
O inæstimábilis diléctio caritátis:
ut servum redímeres, Fílium tradidísti!


O certe necessárium Adæ peccátum,
quod Christi morte delétum est!
O felix culpa,
quæ talem ac tantum méruit habére
Redemptórem

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Post by iskander » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:27 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:58 pm
Strange that you do not want to judge Eden as our elevation or our fall.

When you state your verdict on the Jewish view, we can continue.
The 'elevation 'of Eve:

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Post by iskander » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:00 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:58 pm
Strange that you do not want to judge Eden as our elevation or our fall.

When you state your verdict on the Jewish view, we can continue.
The elevation of man in Christianity.

The man known to us as Jesus was declared to be God .

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Re: Is God competent or incompetent?

Post by iskander » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:04 am

Gnostic Bishop wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:58 pm
Strange that you do not want to judge Eden as our elevation or our fall.

When you state your verdict on the Jewish view, we can continue.
The elevation of woman in Christianity.
The woman known to us as Mary was declared to be the Queen of Heaven .

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