Joseph D. L. wrote: ↑Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:54 am
Reading over the
Acts of the Scillitan Martyrs, there is this rather odd statement made by one of the captive Christians:
Saturninus the proconsul said: What are the things in your chest?
Speratus said: Books and epistles of Paul, a just man.
Now it can be generally agreed upon what is meant by
epistles, whether they be of the Marcionites or the Pastoral redactions.
But what of the former inclusion of books? What books of Paul does/could he have?
It might pay to see what the original language -- Greek? -- has for 'books' ...
Secret Alias wrote: ↑Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:29 am
The Marcionites thought their "Apostle" wrote the ur gospel. It's not hard to see that Luke being the author of Paul's "my gospel" is a deliberate obscurification of Marcionite tradition. At bottom the ur tradition was that Paul DID NOT submit to the Jerusalem Church's written gospel hence in his ongoing dispute his subsequent condemnation of Peter
Perhaps 'gospel' -
euangelion - εὐαγγέλιον - just means 'good news
message' (i.e., not a text
per se; or, not a key text.)
If Robert M Price is right about key Pauline texts being written by Marcion or around the time of Marcion (and about [some] being edited by the likes of Polycarp); and if Tyson, Beduhn, Vinzent, and Klinghardt are right about the synoptic gospels -especially urLuke and urMark - beginning with or being 'processed' via Marcion (or his community) then the genesis of most if not all of these key Christian texts would have been contemporary to each other
[edited: 'would have been' replaced 'will be']
For posterity -
In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.” – Romans 2:16
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began…” – Romans 16:25
“Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:” – 2 Timothy 2:8
Paul is portrayed as the chosen vessel of the Lord as the apostle of the Gentiles/heathens -
Romans 11:13 -
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office ...
Galatians 2:9 -
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Ephesians 3:1-7 (KVJ) -
1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given [to] me [for] you:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power
2 Timothy 1:11 -
Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
1 Corinthians 3:10 -
According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon.