Daniel 9:27 - Azemilcus

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Daniel 9:27 - Azemilcus

Post by Ethan » Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:09 pm

Daniel
9:1 - Darius
9:27 - Messiah cut off
10:1 - Cyrus

The Messiah in Daniel was cut off between the reigns of Darius & Cyrus, however anyone who studied Persian history, should note that
Darius never preceded Cyrus and Daniel fails to mention Cambyses, Bardiya and Nebonidus.

Cyrus the Great
Cambyses II
Bardiya
Darius I

This is because Alexander was titled 'Lord of Asia' or Κύριος της Ασίας , Κύριος (כורש) , the title in Daniel 9:1 , 'seed of the medes'
only fits Darius III, process of elimination.

Between the reigns of Darius III & Alex, Azemilcus, the last king of Tyre was cut off, more-so since the Bible overly emphases the fall of Tyre,

Isaiah 1:1 - Days of Azemilcus
Isaiah 14:12 - Fall of Tyre
Isaiah 45:1 - Alexander the Great

Ezekiel 4:2
And lay siege against it, and build a fort against it, and cast a mount against it; set the camp also against it, and set battering rams against it round about.
Joshua 6 ( Fall of Tyre - 332 BCE )
1. City was shut, none went in or out
3. Compass the city
4. Seven trumpets ( Ram horns) surround the City
6. Ark of the Covenant with 7 priests with Ram Horns
7. Compass the city
9. Armed men blew (thrust of a weapon) the Ram horns
11 . Ark compassed the city, going around it once
12 - Joshua rose in the morning ( Second Attempt )
13 - Trumpets continued
14 - 2nd day, compassing the city and returned
16 - 7th day, compass the city
20 - the 'ram horns' caused the walls to come down
23 . Allowed Rahab's family to survive
24. City burnt and looted
25 . Not to be rebuilt
Ezekiel 4:2
And lay siege against it 'מָצוֹר' ( from צוּר meaning Wall )
build a fort against it 'דָּיֵק' ( Siege Wall )
cast a mount against it 'סֹלְלָה' ( colĕlah - 2 Sam 20:15 )
set the camp also against it,
set battering rams against it round about. 'סָבִיב' ( Round city )
2 Samuel 20:15 - They came to 'Zur' ( Tyre ) ( צוּר )
- They cast out a Bank against the city, it stood in the trench and they battered the wall down.
- Cry of a wise women
Ezekiel 26 ( Alexander's Siege of Tyre )
Many nations would come against Tyre
The walls of Tyre would be broken down
Dust would be scraped from her, and she would be left like a bare rock
Tyre would be a place for the spreading of nets
Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, would build a siege wall around Tyre
Nebuchadnezzar would plunder the city
The stones, timber and soil of Tyre would be cast into the sea
The city would never be rebuilt
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Daniel 9:27 - Azemilcus

Post by Ethan » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:15 am

Around the time of Alexander, there was a similar character too Daniel known as Aristander, He was a prophet & dream interpreter
and he was very famous, for he was mentioned in Strabo, Plutarch, Diodorus, Justin and Curtius.

This 'Aristander' is the probable prototype for Daniel and other Biblical Prophets.
Philip dreams he sealed up the womb of his wife Olympias, and that the seal bore a lion device. Aristander interprets the dream optimistically - that the child Olympias bore (Alexander) would be lion-like and brave. (*P 2.2–3; Ephorus FGrH 70 217)
Statue of Orpheus in Pieria sweats. Aristander interprets optimistically that it means Alexander will cause poets and musicians much sweat in reciting and celebrating his deeds. (*A 1.11.1–2; *P 14.5; Iter. 17; Ps-Calisthenes 1.42)
Army comes across a fallen statue of Ariobarzanes, former satrap of Phrygia. The seer “Alexander” [Aristander?] interprets predicts the victory at Granicus. (D 17.17.6–7)
An insistent swallow bothers the drowsing Alexander at Halicarnassus. Aristander interprets the event to mean that a plot will be revealed to Alexander. (*A 1.25.6–8)
Macedonian soldiers engaged in the siege of Tyre discover that some of the ration bread is “bloody.” Aristander forecasts that Tyre will be taken (because the bread is bloody on the inside). (*C 4.2.14; 17.41.7)
Alexander dreams that Heracles invited him into Tyre. Aristander interprets this to mean that the city will be captured, but with Herculean effort. (*A 2.18.1, C 4.2.17)
Alexander, besieging Tyre, dreams about a mocking satyr. In Artemidorus Aristander and in P “seers” play with words (“sa tyros”="tyre is thine") to decide that Alexander will take the city. In Ps-Calisthenes the Satyr also gives him a cheese (“tyros”) to trample. (Artemidorus, Interpretation of Dreams 4.23–24; P 24.3–5; Ps-Calisthenes 1.35; Artemidorus incident unnoticed by Jacoby)
Aristander, examining entrails, declares that Tyre will be taken that month, even though it is the last day. Alexander decrees a two-day change in the calendar, but then takes the city the same day. (*P 25.1–2)
During the siege of Gaza, a bird drops something on Alexander and is caught. Aristander predicts personal danger for Alexander that day, and is proven right. (*A 2.26.4–27.2; *C 4.6.10–13; *P 25.3–4; Iter. 46–7)
Foundation of Alexandria. Alexander outlines city with barley meal. In P, S, Itiner. and Frag. Sab. birds descend upon it. Aristander projects a prosperous future. (*A 3.1.5–3.2.2; C 4.8.6; P 26.5–6; S 17.1.6; Itiner. 49; FGrH 151=Frag. Sab. 11; others)
Eclipse occurs 12 days before Gaugamela. Aristander (in A) or “Egyptian soothsayers” (in C) interpret the omen favorably. (*A 3.7.6; C 4.10.2–7; see P 31.4)
Alexander conducts sacrifices with Aristander the night before Gaugamela. (*C 4.13.14–16; *P 31.4; FGrH 148=Pap. Oxyrch. 1798)
Aristander seen among Alexander’s soldiers at Gaugamela. Points out an eagle directly above Alexander’s head. (*C 4.15.26–27; *P 33.1–2)
Aristander sacrifices before crossing the Tanais. He reports the omens are unfavorable. He is subsequently asked to sacrifice again and (in A) proclaims another unfavorable omen or (in C) changes his mind. C relates at length how Alexander rebukes Aristander for failing to report the first forecast directly to the king. (*A 4.4.3; 4.4.9, *C 7.7.8–9; 7.722–29, Itiner. 85)
Cleitus interrupts a sacrifice to sample some fruit, but the sheep follow him. Alexander orders Aristander and “Cleomantis the Spartan” to interpret the event. Both interpret the event pessimistically. (*P 50.2–4)
Alexander, having killed Cleitus, is consoled by Aristander, who “reminds” him of his prophecy (number 14). Alexander is cheered. (*P 52.1; see A 4.9.5)
Petroleum is discovered. Aristander predicts that the oil portends success after toil. (*A 4.15.7–8, C 7.10.4; P 57.3; S 9.7.3; Athen. 42 f; Itiner. 97)
Lysimachus blunders into the back of Alexander’s spear. Alexander staunches the wound with his diadem. The bloody diadem impels Aristander to predict a troubled reign for Lysimachus. J has the event take place in India. (*Appian, Syriaca 64; J 15.3.11–14)
Aristander scolds Macedonians for not dealing with Alexander’s body, and predicts a bright future for the city that holds it. (*Aelian Varia Historia 12.64)
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Daniel 9:27 - Azemilcus

Post by Ethan » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:29 am

Aristander plays with words, it is possible to transform the name 'Aristander' into 'Daniel', this name In Hebrew, that i will represent in English letters is just 'DNIAL' and this can be reversed into 'ALIDN' that can be transliteration of ἄριστον, another give name is BLTSAZR (Dan 1:7) and Z interchanges with D, SAZR < SADR < SANDR, So, Bltsandr-Rtsandr-Aristander.

Aristander, just like the Biblical Prophets overstate Tyre

Macedonian soldiers engaged in the siege of Tyre discover that some of the ration bread is “bloody.” Aristander forecasts that Tyre will be taken (because the bread is bloody on the inside). (*C 4.2.14; 17.41.7)

Alexander dreams that Heracles invited him into Tyre. Aristander interprets this to mean that the city will be captured, but with Herculean effort. (*A 2.18.1, C 4.2.17)

Alexander, besieging Tyre, dreams about a mocking satyr. In Artemidorus Aristander and in P “seers” play with words (“sa tyros”="tyre is thine") to decide that Alexander will take the city. In Ps-Calisthenes the Satyr also gives him a cheese (“tyros”) to trample. (Artemidorus, Interpretation of Dreams 4.23–24; P 24.3–5; Ps-Calisthenes 1.35; Artemidorus incident unnoticed by Jacoby)
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Daniel 9:27 - Azemilcus

Post by Ethan » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:43 am

Forward chronology

Nebuchadnezzar > Artaxerxes III
Belshazzar > Artaxerxes IV
Darius > Darius
Cyrus > Alexander (Kyrios tas Asias)

Artaxerxes III was the most infamous of Persian Kings, After his victory over the Egyptians, Artaxerxes had the city walls destroyed, started a reign of terror, and set about looting all the temples, this fits the character of Biblical character Nebuchadnezzar and also King Shishak.

2 Chronicles 12:9 (Ꜥrtḫšsš / šsš/שישק)
Shishak king of Egypt came up against Jerusalem, and took away the treasures of the house of the LORD

-Confusion between Artaxerxes & Nebuchadnezzar-
Zadok > Shallum > Hilkiah > Azariah > Seraiah > Ezra (Artaxerxes III) ( Ezra 7:1)
Zadok > Shallum > Hilkiah > Azariah > Seraiah > Jeho-Zadok (Nebuchadnezzar) (1 Chronicles 6:15)

Nectanebo II (18 years) - 360–342 BCE
- Rehoboam ( 18 years) *ḥr-ḥbyt
- Solomon ( 40 years ) : 342-382?
- David ( 40 years) : 382-422?

Elephantine was an operational Ionic colony throughout the Persian Empire, but towards the end it diminished with the Egyptian campaign
of Artaxerxes III, then the history of Elephantine is presented in the Old Testament.

It is rather obvious that Aristander, Daniel and the Alexandrian romance are historical fiction created in the late Hellenistic period, perhaps
by the same people.
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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Re: Daniel 9:27 - Azemilcus

Post by Bernard Muller » Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:37 pm

Hello
I am certain the anointed one cut off in Daniel 9:27 is no other that Jason, the last high priest of the quasi-dynastic Zadokite line. Yes Jason is presented as a bad guy in the Maccabees books, but still, he was the legitimate high priest (behaving also as a prince (ruler) (Dan 9:25) for a while in Jerusalem) and some Jews (including the author of that part of 'Daniel') still considered Jason as such even after he had flee Jerusalem.
Plenty of arguments here: http://historical-jesus.info/daniel.html

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Re: Daniel 9:27 - Azemilcus

Post by Ethan » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:22 pm

I have being researching this topic recently and there is some strange anachronism and it seems to surround the beginning of the Maccabees
for i have identified "Josiah" with "Onias III".

Onias III
1. Pious man who opposed the Hellenization of Judea.
2. A murdered priest deeply mourned by both Jews and Greeks
3. Onias/Josiah murdered in North Syria by Ἀνδρό-Νιχαω / Νεχαω
4. Son of Amon/Simon, grandson of Manassah/Asmon
5. ανιασιε (יאשיה)
6. Father of Eliakim also called Jehoiakim
7. Father of Johanan, prefixed form of Onias. Onias IV
8. Father of Zedekiah-Mattaniah. Mattathias? (2Ki 24:17) the founder of the Maccabee

Nebuchadnezzar/Antiochus IV Epiphanes
1.Persecution of Jews
2.held a mild suzerainty over Judea:
3. War against Egypt , seizing the important strategic town of Pelusium (Jer 43:10)

Nebuzaradan/Bacchides
1. he made a slaughter-house of Bezeth (Bethzecha) (chief-slaughter/ἀρχιμάγειρος - 2 Kings 25:11)
2. besieged Jerusalem (Battle of Elasa, Jeremiah 52:12)

Anachronism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobiads
Tobiads were a Jewish faction in Ammon at the beginning of the Maccabean period. They were phil-Hellene, in other words supporters of the Hellenistic tendencies in Judaism in the early years of the 2nd century BCE.

Nehemiah 4:3
Tobiah the Ammonite

Nehemiah 13:1
On that day they read in the book of Moses in the audience of the people; and therein was found written, that the Ammonite and the Moabite should not come into the congregation of God for ever

Nehemiah 13:8
And it grieved me sore: therefore I cast forth all the household stuff of Tobiah out of the chamber.

Nehemiah 29
Remember them, O my God, because they have defiled the priesthood, and the covenant of the priesthood, and of the Levites.
https://vivliothikiagiasmatos.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/joseph-yahuda-hebrew-is-greek.pdf

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