The Great Christ Comet

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The Great Christ Comet

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The Great Christ Comet by Colin Nicholl was published September last year. It breaks new ground on the star of Bethlehem. It’s going to create one doozy of a stir in the worlds of biblical research and science.

Here is one of reviews coming out on Nicholl’s book.
“Nicholl breaks important new ground in the quest for the historical Star of Bethlehem. Not only does he develop a formidable case for identifying the Star as a great comet; he also proposes a fresh explanation as to what it may have done to so impress the Magi. Nicholl has a clear understanding of the relevant areas of modern astronomy, and especially of the nature, evolution, and orbital dynamics of comets as currently understood. This work will be of great interest to astronomers, theologians, historians of science, and the general public, and will hopefully stimulate important new lines of scientific enquiry.”
—Mark E. Bailey MBE, Director, Armagh Observatory; coauthor, The Origin of Comets

And here is a youtube interview. Enjoy.

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Ged wrote:The Great Christ Comet by Colin Nicholl was published September last year. It breaks new ground on the star of Bethlehem. It’s going to create one doozy of a stir in the worlds of biblical research and science.

Here is one of reviews coming out on Nicholl’s book.
“Nicholl breaks important new ground in the quest for the historical Star of Bethlehem. Not only does he develop a formidable case for identifying the Star as a great comet; he also proposes a fresh explanation as to what it may have done to so impress the Magi. Nicholl has a clear understanding of the relevant areas of modern astronomy, and especially of the nature, evolution, and orbital dynamics of comets as currently understood. This work will be of great interest to astronomers, theologians, historians of science, and the general public, and will hopefully stimulate important new lines of scientific enquiry.”
—Mark E. Bailey MBE, Director, Armagh Observatory; coauthor, The Origin of Comets

And here is a youtube interview. Enjoy.

JW:
Yes, it has everything except evidence. I had an irresistable urge to continuously blurt out "Apologist" just like Austin Powers' "Mole!":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc5G04nJecI


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Ged wrote:The Great Christ Comet by Colin Nicholl was published September last year. It breaks new ground on the star of Bethlehem. It’s going to create one doozy of a stir in the worlds of biblical research and science.

Here is one of reviews coming out on Nicholl’s book.
“Nicholl breaks important new ground in the quest for the historical Star of Bethlehem. Not only does he develop a formidable case for identifying the Star as a great comet; he also proposes a fresh explanation as to what it may have done to so impress the Magi. Nicholl has a clear understanding of the relevant areas of modern astronomy, and especially of the nature, evolution, and orbital dynamics of comets as currently understood. This work will be of great interest to astronomers, theologians, historians of science, and the general public, and will hopefully stimulate important new lines of scientific enquiry.”
—Mark E. Bailey MBE, Director, Armagh Observatory; coauthor, The Origin of Comets

And here is a youtube interview. Enjoy.

So, what major comet has he so identified?

FWIW, my favorite is Halley's.

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A comet co-opted into the Jesus-the-Christ-of-Nazareth narrative as the 'Star of Bethlehem' need not have occurred 2-3 BC/BCE to 4-8 AD/CE, either.
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JoeWallack wrote:
JW:
Yes, it has everything except evidence. I had an irresistable urge to continuously blurt out "Apologist" just like Austin Powers' "Mole!":
I presume the evidence is in his book. Do you always get irresistable 'blurt' urges as soon as you think something might confirm the Bible?
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To be honest, Im not an astronomer, however, Im working through the book. (yeah 360 pages :-o ) It is comprehensive in both fields - theology and astronomy - which makes it uniquely suitable for this subject.

Ill try to summarise some of his evidence that the 'star' was in fact a large 'long-period' comet that came on the year historians think Jesus was born. Here are 5 areas he goes into. I'll elaborate if any one area is of particular interest to posters on this forum.
  1. Evidence from early church writings
  2. Evidence from the Bible
  3. Evidence from chronology
  4. Evidence from astronomy
  5. Other options not feasible
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Ged wrote: Do you always get irresistable 'blurt' urges as soon as you think something might confirm the Bible?
Sorry but there is nothing credible about this biblical event
:facepalm:



We already know it is probable plagiarism against Augustus celestial event prior to jesus birth.
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OK, let’s have a look at early church writings. People say that the record of a star is mentioned by Matthew only, hence doubtful, since Luke doesn’t mention it, and neither is it found in neighboring astronomical records. Nichol responds by pointing out how old astronomical records are often patchy. However, he does quote several of the church fathers, so it was better known than skeptics care to admit. Early church descriptions resemble a comet more than that of a regular star. See what you think?
IGNATIUS (AD 40 -100)
“A star shone in heaven with a brightness beyond all the stars; its light was indescribable, and its newness provoked astonishment. And all the other stars, together with the Sun and Moon, formed a chorus to the star, yet its light far exceeded them all. And there was perplexity regarding from where this new entity came, so unlike anything else in the heavens was it.”
(Ignatius to the Ephesians, ch. 19)

ORIGEN (AD 180 -250)
“We consider that the star that was seen “at its rising” was a new star, unlike any of the other well-known planetary bodies, either those in the fixed sphere above or those among the lower spheres. Rather, it should be reckoned with those celestial bodies which appear at times, known as “hairy stars”, “beams”, or “beards”, or “wine jars”, or any of those other names by which the Greeks are accustomed to describe their varying appearances. And we establish our position in the following manner …
… We have read in the Treatise on Comets by Chaeremon the Stoic, that on some occasions also, when good was to happen, comets made their appearance; and he gives an account of such instances. If, then, at the commencement of new dynasties, or on the occasion of other important events, there arises a comet so called, or any similar celestial body, why should it be matter of wonder that at the birth of Him who was to introduce a new doctrine to the human race, and to make known His teaching not only to Jews, but also to Greeks, and to many of the barbarous nations besides, a star should have arisen?”
(Contra Celsum 1.58-59)
Ignatius refers to the star in terms that suggest a very large comet, and Origen specifically calls it a “hairy star” which is, of course, the same thing. I’m guessing that other literature about the phenomenon existed, but was probably suppressed during the Imperial persecutions. In any case, Matthew was not the only one, who talks of a comet-like star at the time of Jesus birth.
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