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Well said. Rather than back and forth over Marcion's gospel being the first gospel, perhaps it would be more profitable to attempt to fit it in with the gospels we do have. And that, I would suggest, requires giving more weight to the gospel story rather than the words conveying the story . All thi...

The last paragraph of the conclusion, paragraphed further here, makes good points: Finally, a work like the Vaticanus-Bezae parallels also helpfully reminds us that the earliest surviving manuscripts of the Synoptic Gospels that preserve extensive parallel passages date to the fourth and fifth cent...

To Mary The thread asks how can one have or prove expertise without have corroborative evidence to check that expertise. Yes it is true that the writings of the Church Fathers exist. One can have authority in the field of Patristics. But is it a straight line from "what the Church Fathers said...

There are two reports in the Fathers. The two powers in Marcion are Good and Evil or Good and Just. The latter is obviously correct. Life is boring Boring always wins. Thr problem is that one version is sterile. .....while the earlier Marcoin version has potential for intellectual development and e...

Apparently Agapius, a Manichaean of the fourth century (who also adopts the "name of Christian"), shows how several of the things said of Marcionites had currency with him also: He dedicates them to a woman named Urania, whom he proclaims is an initiate of the same philosophy as himself. ...

Just for interest - a reply from Sebastian Moll that I posted on Stephan Huller's FRDB thread on Moll's book. Dear Mary (if I may), thank you for bringing this to my attention. Your fellow poster is right about one thing: I am German and as it happens, today is German Unity Day, so all the more reas...

A quote from a long ago exchange with Stephan on FRDB. Quote: Stephan Huller thread: Why Sebastian Moll's Marcionite Scholarship is Dishonest Marcion Was a Heretic Invented in the Third Century to Gloss Over the Controversies Associated with St Mark in Second Century Palestine The bottom line for me...

My banal observation: If proto-Luke is only passed through the hands of Marcion, then it had to have received some anti-demiurgic bits. The hands of Marcion had to be even only slightly dirty. Do you think, otherwise, that Marcion was a saint man? Of course not Giuseppe. But it seems like you are w...

UPDATE Repost from - https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=155997#p155997 If it's the OT god you are looking for in the Marconite gospel, then, methinks, you are looking in the wrong place. The gospel attributed to Marcion is not a gospel designed to highlight the OT god - a god generally...

To clarify the initial question: I am asking if it is unambiguously stated anywhere in the text of the Evangelion (according to the reconstructions of BeDuhn, Roth, or Klinghardt) that the God of Israel is definitely to be distinguished from the Father (the 'good god") referred to by Jesus. I ...