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by maryhelena
Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
Replies: 31
Views: 396

Re: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?

Interesting developments re the NT canon. My interest is basically digging into the gospel Marcion had ie its role in the developing gospel Jesus story. I'll be crossing fingers Klinghardt can move the dial..... Marcion is having his moment. I'm not as plugged into the scene...is Klinghardt expecte...
by maryhelena
Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
Replies: 31
Views: 396

Re: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?

In my experience, maryhelena, generally, there's no pay for an article. For a book, depends on publisher and/or sales. One example: I was co-author of Origin of Kibosh: Routledge Studies in Etymology (All serious libraries should have a copy!) So far, royalties amount to less than the price of one ...
by maryhelena
Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
Replies: 31
Views: 396

Re: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?

The cleverest thing that the editor of our canon did was to shift focus from "which is the gospel of Paul" = the Marcionite understanding to "which is the real gospel of Luke." Can we stop talking about the gospel of Luke? The Marcionites knew THE apostle who wrote the letters a...
by maryhelena
Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
Replies: 31
Views: 396

Re: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?

It is unclear whether Marcion's Evangelion came before Luke, or vice versa. But there's no question that Marcion's New Testament came before Athenasius's. Marcion was the first we know about who had the brilliant idea of combining stories of Jesus with letters of Paul, and offering it up as being o...
by maryhelena
Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
Replies: 31
Views: 396

Re: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?

"I recently paid £21 for this article - of just 6 pages." Wow, shameful. (More than $4 a page.) Shameful indeed. Klinghardt's recent book, 2023, Kindle edition from amazon cost £7.09 and it has 78 pages..... Does the scholar get paid for a Journal article... Or is it supposed to be an hon...
by maryhelena
Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
Replies: 31
Views: 396

Re: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?

on the one hand, it provides answers to many old questions, some of them seemingly resolved a long time ago, others fiercely debated for many decades. While I don't see nothing of "noble" in these matters (probably because of the my own views on morality, as my avatar makes it clear: only...
by maryhelena
Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:58 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
Replies: 31
Views: 396

Re: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?

Peter Kirby wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 12:36 am That's a problem isn't it? A bias against the boring if you will.
A bias ? Human nature I suppose. We have own opinions - someone once said - but not our own facts. And it is facts, is it not, that in the search for early christian origins, are in short supply.
by maryhelena
Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
Replies: 31
Views: 396

Re: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?

If the Marcionite Gospel is seen as an alteration of Luke, it has almost no relevance for the New Testament ... On the other hand, the priority of the Marcionite Gospel promotes the most noble and important task of scholarship: it poses a whole new set of questions that did not exist before. And if...
by maryhelena
Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
Replies: 31
Views: 396

Re: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?

Whatever happened to the post I don't know - but thanks for links.
by maryhelena
Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
Replies: 31
Views: 396

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

I recently paid £21 for this article - of just 6 pages. I had thought I was getting the three articles for this price. The other two articles being by Jason Beduhn and Judith Lieu. Oof. :shock: Indeed.... I'll just quote this - indicating, perhaps, where Klinghardt suspects where the priority of th...