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by maryhelena
Fri Apr 26, 2024 8:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Reconstructing the original story of Paul
Replies: 8
Views: 100

Re: Reconstructing the original story of Paul

From an old post. Paul? As much a literary creation as is the gospel figure of Jesus. Paul as Jesus Reboot or Jesus as Paul Reboot? Although Richard Pervo has not gone that far (Thomas Brodie has opted for a literary Paul...) Pervo's chart, below, certainly raises many question..... The Mystery of A...
by maryhelena
Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Reconstructing the original story of Paul
Replies: 8
Views: 100

Re: Reconstructing the original story of Paul

can I just say I don't agree with this rolling out the red carpet for Paul to claim the whole thing, gospels the whole lot it's all him i mean, is Paul paying you to write this? For me... I side with Thomas Brodie. Paul is a literary construct. Did not the other Mr Price refer to Paul as the '"...
by maryhelena
Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 53
Views: 1117

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

So we can imagine him interpreting this sentence just as literally---"came down" doesn't mean going from north to south, or from uptown to downtown. I literally means "came down". He just descended from the sky and sauntered into the local Synagogue to tell them what's what. [/b...
by maryhelena
Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 53
Views: 1117

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

was this gospel the first to name the 'wonder-worker- of the Slavonic Josephus story ? Is Ev dependent on Josephus? Lk, probably, but I'd need more evidence that the Ev cribs from Josephus. Take a look at the opening line of the Ev: in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius in ...
by maryhelena
Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 53
Views: 1117

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Reading Marcion's, 'Jesus came down to Capernaum', as a literal, flesh and blood journey, sounds strange to the ear Tertullian glosses this expression more as a Star Trek-style beaming down: he "came down to the Galilean city of Capernaum," of course meaning from the heaven of the Creator...
by maryhelena
Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 53
Views: 1117

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

I'm throwing an idea out there in cyber space... If the gospel in the hand of Marcion is, re Klinghardt, the oldest gospel - was this gospel the first to name the 'wonder-worker- of the Slavonic Josephus story ? If so, Klinghardt would be correct to label the gospel in the hands of Marcion as the ol...
by maryhelena
Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 53
Views: 1117

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Of course Luke derived from *Ev the idea of a spiritual entity descending on the earth in 3:2: in the 15° year of Tiberius [...] the word of God descended on John son of Zechariah in the wilderness The "word of God" is the Logos . The Logos idea comes from Philo.....Logos, mind, ideas - c...
by maryhelena
Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 53
Views: 1117

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Reading Marcion's, 'Jesus came down to Capernaum', as a literal, flesh and blood journey, sounds strange to the ear - i.e. we use that sort of expression often (i.e. my sister came down to London - from up north somewhere or another). Since Marcion's gospel found no use for birth narratives - perha...
by maryhelena
Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Replies: 53
Views: 1117

Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?

Capernaum and Marcion Post by maryhelena » Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:46 pm While both the gospel attributed to Marcion and the gospel of Luke make reference to the 15th year of Tiberius, Marcion's gospel has his Jesus coming down to Capernaum in that year. The gospel of Matthew says of Jesus: Leaving Naza...
by maryhelena
Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Josephus again
Replies: 26
Views: 578

Re: Josephus again

Testimonium and Pilate -ca 30AD. Ant was published 94CE.I'm not too attached to this calculation The TF is set within a context of 19 c. e. It seems your not committed to Josephus dating for your Jesus theory. But I thought you said, or inferred, the gospel writers got their Jesus figure from Josep...