An angel perhaps, given a promotion? I think Ehrman believes something along those lines, though I haven't looked into that.Peter Kirby wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:39 pmI kinda don't get it. Hanging around at creation but not the Son?
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- Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:42 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Is 'called Christ' in Ant 20:200 a Christian gloss just as 'born by woman' is a Catholic gloss in Gal 4:4?
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Re: Is 'called Christ' in Ant 20:200 a Christian gloss just as 'born by woman' is a Catholic gloss in Gal 4:4?
- Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:35 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Is 'called Christ' in Ant 20:200 a Christian gloss just as 'born by woman' is a Catholic gloss in Gal 4:4?
- Replies: 12
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Re: Is 'called Christ' in Ant 20:200 a Christian gloss just as 'born by woman' is a Catholic gloss in Gal 4:4?
Christ is a son via a woman, while Christians are sons via adoption: Also I am son of a woman If that were true, surely you would have given the name of the woman. Who uses "son of a woman" to describe someone? and baptized at the birth. If that were true, surely you would have supplied t...
- Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:56 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Is 'called Christ' in Ant 20:200 a Christian gloss just as 'born by woman' is a Catholic gloss in Gal 4:4?
- Replies: 12
- Views: 216
Re: Is 'called Christ' in Ant 20:200 a Christian gloss just as 'born by woman' is a Catholic gloss in Gal 4:4?
Afterall, just as 'called Christ' breaks the context (the brother of Jesus ben Damneus being the victim of Ananus), a similar breaking of the context is in action in Galatians 4:4: the argument is the Son being sent by god in the predicted time, and the 'birth from woman' is not a detail of interes...
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 8:00 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The gospel writers saw Jesus as an angel figure, gave him a version of the name Yahweh
- Replies: 9
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Re: The gospel writers saw Jesus as an angel figure, gave him a version of the name Yahweh
The possible interpretations may be numerous and contradictory. Jesus may be the son of El Elyon, he may be the son of YHWH. Literally or spiritually. I think there is also the question of timing. If Christianity started from a Jewish context, then "son of God" probably was a term that di...
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:06 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The gospel writers saw Jesus as an angel figure, gave him a version of the name Yahweh
- Replies: 9
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Re: The gospel writers saw Jesus as an angel figure, gave him a version of the name Yahweh
Yahweh was one of the sons of El Elyon; and Jesus in the Gospels was described as a Son of El Elyon, God Most High. In other words, he was described as a heavenly being. Isn't "son of God" also used in a spiritual sense in the NT? For example, in the Gospel of John: Jhn 1:45 Philip findet...
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 10:49 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
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Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
4) Marcion was, by his own standards, honest. He was trying to restore the gospel to what he thought was its original form. He worked with existing material, omitting a great deal of material from Luke, and some form Paul, and perhaps occasionally using readings from Mark or Matthew, as well as edi...
- Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:25 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
- Replies: 30
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Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
As Peter noted, the thread isn't about trying to prove one theory or another, but rather what is people's best guess about how Marcion fits into early Christianity? I'm interested in reading the range of views people have developed based on their intuition, and not challenging anyone to 'prove' that...
- Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:25 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
- Replies: 30
- Views: 598
Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
There have been lots of threads about Marcion and early Christianity recently. I was wondering what theories people have around the implications of Marcion for early Christianity. Not necessarily HJ vs MJ, though that could be a part of it, but on the development of early Christianity itself. For my...
- Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:23 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus
- Replies: 9
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Re: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus
In which case Celsus is referring to John the Baptist, probably using the Gospel of John: which cannot explain why Celsus uses the plural to describe the group of the person who witnessed the presumed miracle: the statement of another of those individuals who have been punished along with you He do...
- Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:32 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus
- Replies: 9
- Views: 225
Re: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus
When you were bathing, says the Jew, beside John, you say that what had the appearance of a bird from the air alighted upon you. And then this same Jew of his, continuing his interrogations, asks, What credible witness beheld this appearance? Or who heard a voice from heaven declaring you to be the...