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by GakuseiDon
Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is BeDuhn right? Are patristic scholars terrified that almost all patristic manuscripts are medieval and later?
Replies: 3
Views: 126

Re: Is BeDuhn right? Are patristic scholars terrified that almost all patristic manuscripts are medieval and later?

So the question is: Are patristic scholars terrified that almost all patristic manuscripts are medieval and later? Isn't the late dating of most extant texts well-known, though? I've seen it acknowledged in lots of secondary sources when discussing provenance of texts like Justin Martyr's. The more...
by GakuseiDon
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Important milestones in biblical scholarship
Replies: 25
Views: 603

Re: Important milestones in biblical scholarship

IMHO, the Context group, at least as presented by Bruce Malina, are/is perpetuating stereotypes of modern Mediterranean peoples as somehow gross, sexist and brutal. "Oh, how fortunate we are live in a western culture which has been transformed, by application of Jesus' social gospel message (b...
by GakuseiDon
Fri Apr 05, 2024 6:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Even Joseph Turmel concluded that Matthew had falsified *Ev
Replies: 23
Views: 381

Re: Even Joseph Turmel concluded that Matthew had falsified *Ev

If these views pre-existed Marcion, then perhaps the gospel now associated with Marcion pre-existed him too. I think something along those lines: that there were oral or written beliefs about Jesus Christ/Chrest that pre-existed Marcion that Marcion or Marcion's Gospel writer put together, probably...
by GakuseiDon
Fri Apr 05, 2024 6:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Even Joseph Turmel concluded that Matthew had falsified *Ev
Replies: 23
Views: 381

Re: Even Joseph Turmel concluded that Matthew had falsified *Ev

Why use that Gospel at all? Why not? It depends on the starting point, of course. Marcion's Gospel was about a Jewish man (by appearance) who walked around Galilee and Judea, interacted with Jews, cheesed off the Jewish religious leadership and was crucified by the Romans. His Jesus didn't preach a...
by GakuseiDon
Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Even Joseph Turmel concluded that Matthew had falsified *Ev
Replies: 23
Views: 381

Re: Even Joseph Turmel concluded that Matthew had falsified *Ev

Just thinking through this: 1. Marcion claims to have the original Gospel preached by Paul. Creator God of Judaism is not the true God. No attribution to the Gospel other than perhaps 'Paul'. 2. Proto-orthodox then take that Gospel, assign attribution to Luke, a follower of Paul, and then add 'Judai...
by GakuseiDon
Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Even Joseph Turmel concluded that Matthew had falsified *Ev
Replies: 23
Views: 381

Re: Even Joseph Turmel concluded that Matthew had falsified *Ev

But how is that possible? The argument is as follows: 1. Marcion knew the fourfold gospel (i.e. a set of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) 2. Marcion for some reason (it is never explained) "chose Luke to falsify" I don't even think this is a serious suggestion. Surely a motive has to be give...
by GakuseiDon
Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:33 pm
Forum: General Religious Discussion
Topic: The Death of Christianity, Atheism and New False Gods
Replies: 4
Views: 242

Re: The Death of Christianity, Atheism and New False Gods

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ar-BB1kZdRj What a silly article. "Not since the road to Damascus has there been a more notable spiritual volte-face than the one made on LBC this week. Having spent a career breathing threats against the disciples of the Lord, a certain Richard Dawkins is ...
by GakuseiDon
Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Short Recension of Three Letters of Ignatius
Replies: 35
Views: 706

Re: The Short Recension of Three Letters of Ignatius

You've cherry-picked but one of several points that Cureton made in that preface. Read the other points. In the book (coz I haven't reproduced them that well, if at all). True enough, I'm cherry-picking one of several points. I'm looking forward to reading more on the analysis about the primacy of ...
by GakuseiDon
Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Short Recension of Three Letters of Ignatius
Replies: 35
Views: 706

Re: The Short Recension of Three Letters of Ignatius

"We can hardly suppose that the Syriac translator...should have made such omissions for the sake of brevity, more especially when these Epistles in themselves are so short." No doubt Cureton was more knowledgeable than I'll ever be, but surely this is an argument from incredulity. There a...
by GakuseiDon
Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Important milestones in biblical scholarship
Replies: 25
Views: 603

Re: Important milestones in biblical scholarship

Ken's already mentioned it earlier in this thread, but the "New Perspective on Paul", started by EP Sanders; and also the Context Group: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Perspective_on_Paul The "new-perspective" movement is closely connected with a surge of recent scholarly inte...