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by GakuseiDon
Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere
Replies: 94
Views: 1941

Re: Ehrman on Galatians 4:4 and Romans 1:3 and Christ 'born' human

Ehrman, The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture pp.238-9: Thanks for that, MrMacSon, as always. In Galatians 4:4, Paul says that God "sent forth his Son, come from a woman, come under the law" (γενόμενον έκ γυναικός, γενόμενον ύπό υό μυν). The verse was used by the orthodox to oppose the Gno...
by GakuseiDon
Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: So what really happened at that so-called “first Christmas”?
Replies: 24
Views: 484

Re: So what really happened at that so-called “first Christmas”?

I remember seeing a documentary on the topic a while ago. How accurate it was I have no idea. The precis: Caves were used as cheap housing in earlier times. They were fitted out with doors and furniture, etc. Some were used to house animals when the weather demanded it as well. Places that were used...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere
Replies: 94
Views: 1941

Re: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere

What are the specific implications of Paul's use of "ginomai" as meaning 'born' if Tertullian is correct, in your view? edited Paul The NT uses gennao for born or birth 97 times according to S.P. Laurie. As Lauries says, "The fact that Paul chose [to use genomenos or a similar form o...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere
Replies: 94
Views: 1941

Re: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere

Either way, Tertullian shows that he reads Paul as meaning "born" What do you think Tertullian is saying? 20 " ... he says ' made ' in preference to ' born '. ... by saying 'made' he has both set his seal on 'The Word was made flesh' [John 1:14] , and has asserted the verity of the f...
by GakuseiDon
Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ben, gone
Replies: 17
Views: 494

Re: Ben, gone

The only thing that bothered me about Ben was his zealous anti-mythicism packaged as "helping to flesh out ideas" - but his ginormous contributions here (much) more than made up for that Ben wasn't anti-mythicist. He was borderline mythicist himself. He was simply anti-bad scholarship. Hi...
by GakuseiDon
Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How strangely generic the phrase "born of a woman" is when applied to a specific person.
Replies: 10
Views: 251

Re: How strangely generic the phrase "born of a woman" is when applied to a specific person.

The use of "born of a woman" isn't a claim being made by itself, but rather part of a stream of thought involving a servant becoming an heir: born as a son, born under the law, redeemed under the law, to be adopted as son, and therefore an heir: Gal 4: 1 Now I say, That the heir , as long ...
by GakuseiDon
Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How strangely generic the phrase "born of a woman" is when applied to a specific person.
Replies: 10
Views: 251

Re: How strangely generic the phrase "born of a woman" is when applied to a specific person.

By this, I mean that when we talk about specific people, we rarely need to specify that they are born of women - unless we are trying to refute claims (perhaps made by aliens?) that they are not born from women. This topic has come up many times here. I was keeping a list of "born of a woman&q...
by GakuseiDon
Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere
Replies: 94
Views: 1941

Re: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere

If not even the Fathers of the Church accused Marcion of having mutilated Paul, then why should we accuse him of having done so? Tertulian accused Marcion of mutilating Paul: Book 5 of "Contra Marcion": http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/tertullian125.html ... we shall draw our ev...
by GakuseiDon
Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere
Replies: 94
Views: 1941

Re: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere

I was looking at the use of "seed" and "come/ erchomai " in the NT. There are lots of examples of both, but I found the following ones interesting: John 7:42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh [erchomai] of the seed of David , and out of the town of Bethlehem, where ...
by GakuseiDon
Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere
Replies: 94
Views: 1941

Re: The Seed in Romans 1:3 and Elsewhere

I also think it is probably by literary choice. I would note that in the texts I found elsewhere, ginomai as used for birth in Josephus and Greco-Roman sources is not being applied to stellar or non-ordinary people. My guess is that the words for birth were probably somewhat interchangeable, but th...